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RE: NEW POLL-When can someone truley... (in reply to sonikete)
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things are not always black and white, we are talking more about who has the right to call themselfs a flamenco guitarist.
And im saying that playing with singers is a part of the formation in becoming that. If you dont agree, fine, i wont call you names for that opinion, and i expect the same courtesy back.
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Well that could change if people had a bit higher standards abroad and stopped defining flamenco guitarist as something ottmar liebert also could fit.
RE: NEW POLL-When can someone truley... (in reply to sonikete)
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I love accompanying when it’s someone I feel comfortable with, but not if I have to suffer, and I have just as much fun playing solo as accompanying. In order to be a good flamenco soloist you have to have played for 30,000 singers.
RE: NEW POLL-When can someone truley... (in reply to sonikete)
whats that got to do with the price of eggs ?
lol hes not talking about the right o call yourself a flamenco guitarist.
hes talking about beeing a good soloist.
Any more quotes of what other people said ? I am scared to ask you what time it is or its gonna take you 5 hours to search the net to find out what time Manolo Sanlucar said it is
RE: NEW POLL-When can someone truley... (in reply to sonikete)
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I feel foreign aficionados come on a bit stronger with it than Spaniards or Gypsies, sort of like because they are embarrased about "Ottmar". Trying to break those ties, or shed that skin to become more "flamenco" as possible.
It's not just Ottmar (who?). It's difficult not to sound pseudo-flamenco when there is a local accent, sometimes it's almost comical, and gets in the way, the whole ordeal becomes not only pseudo-flamenco but, to a lot of people, pseudo-music, and that's what you want to distance yourself from. There are lighthearted practicioners who just don't mind.. like choirs singing romanian songs with a horrible swedish accent and just having a blast. Some are more sensitive about these things than others.. it's what we have to deal with, somehow.
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RE: NEW POLL-When can someone truley... (in reply to sonikete)
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I dont even ottmar thinks thats offensive himself actually. Hed doesnt call himself a flamenco guitarist, other people do.
I don't think you were being offensive, but Dominic is offended by your "other people do", inother words, that outsiders have lower standards for what is flamenco. Not that ottmar is offended. Like, he is offended for your insinuating he might think Ottmar is flamenco.
Point being you included YOURSELF in that statement, as an outsider. But I got your point and it was not offensive. Like I said, you were wrong, because there are plenty of outsiders who define flamenco guitar as you do, cante accompaniment primarily, but that won't change or open up the contest to be more fair. Guiri is guiri.
Florian pretty much said it, even in Spain you find folks who don't know what flamenco really is. And then further inside the elitist culture of flamenco, you have people with different ideas of the boundries and definitions. 30,000 singers? Come on. But we get his point, but it is HIS point. I think it is clear where we all stand now. Peace, I am out of this one.
RE: NEW POLL-When can someone truley... (in reply to sonikete)
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lol hes not talking about the right o call yourself a flamenco guitarist. hes talking about beeing a good soloist. Any more quotes of what other people said ?
He is talking about whats essential for a flamenco soloist and its a catch 22 situation, if i quote people, then im pretending to be them and my opinion is disqualified because of that, and if i talk from experience then my opinion is disqualified because im not spanish.
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he is offended for your insinuating he might think Ottmar is flamenco.
RE: NEW POLL-When can someone truley... (in reply to sonikete)
hes not saying its essencial, hes saying that to be a GOOD soloist.
and the only person here that has ever diqualified anyones view for not beeing spanish is you,
we are sick quotes and what other people say, but they are inprinetd in you soo deeply that even when you speak for you , u just end up reciting what they say.
RE: NEW POLL-When can someone truley... (in reply to sonikete)
Im getting a bit tired of this discussion, i dont know what you want me to say, the way i learned flamenco is that first you learn the basic chords to accompany a singer then you learn solos from others, then you compose your own solos if you want to become a soloist.
Much in the same way that ricardo and i talked about learning palmas.
Thats just the way i been taught and im sticking with it. And i dont have much more to say about it.
RE: NEW POLL-When can someone truley... (in reply to sonikete)
I agree i am getting tired of it too
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i dont know what you want me to say, the way i learned flamenco is that first you learn the basic chords to accompany a singer then you learn solos from others, then you compose your own solos if you want to become a soloist
yes 100 % correct
that is one way, but not the only way, theres a million paths to the same place.
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