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Sabicas " Guitarists have to play their own music.."
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RE: Sabicas " Guitarists have t... (in reply to Strudl)
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Hi Strudl, for me its important to aim for original compositions eventually, learning material from guitarists i like is really only a means to an end, so i can learn how the maestros weave their majic around the fretboard and techniques they choose to use doing it. I dont see any point in learning something you dont like the sound of, or by a guitarist your not fond of musically or a style/era you dislike. But i dont think that if somebody chooses to not arrange themselfs but plays other peoples music really well means they arent flamenco, not everybody wants to create their own compositions and theres nothing wrong with that at all. Theres so many good compositions out there to learn. At the end of the day i dont think anything is completely original, just different spins on an idea thats already been done (99.9% of the time).
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Date Dec. 16 2006 23:34:20
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Mark2
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RE: Sabicas " Guitarists have t... (in reply to ToddK)
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But usually guitarists who accompany at least write their own falsetas to accompany various dance sections even if they aren't pros. That's a whole different thing than writing whole solos. But,except for modern guitarists who get touchy when someone says their latest cd with the trumpet solo isn't flamenco, I think your right about how pros don't give a hoot-they have to be strong enough to ignore negative crap. And I've never heard anyone put that sabicas quote into context,but you make an excellent point. Paco ain't your average bear, and just because he should play his own music doesn't mean everyone should!!! quote:
ORIGINAL: ToddK Firstly, Real live dedicated musicians only care about making good music. They dont care about labels or titles. The couldnt care less what you say they are or arent. They are way too concerned with perfecting their skills. Secondly, The Sabicas quote is taken out of context imo. It is Sabicas, talking to Paco. Not for you, or me, to pass on as universal truth for all. In reality, there are tons of great guitarists, who dont play their own compostions. You'd have to be pretty sheltered from the world to not know that. There are tons of great flamenco guitarists who dont write. You wont be buying their latest album, but that doesnt mean they're not out there. TK
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Date Dec. 17 2006 1:59:22
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RE: Sabicas " Guitarists have t... (in reply to Mark2)
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I've never heard anyone put that sabicas quote into context yes, todd puts it into perspective. Let us never hear that thrashed out, tired old cliche again!!!!.....please, its gettin really, really old. If anyone else has any more pearls of wisdom, please dont quote that one.
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Date Dec. 17 2006 4:04:49
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RE: Sabicas " Guitarists have t... (in reply to Florian)
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you make a good point, im thinking this whole discussion is leading to the whole flamenco puro thing(which is completly subjective). If flamenco is your primary style then arnt you a flamenco guitarist? Even if your a begginer and all you play is flamenco, surely still you are a flamenco guitarist, just not as advanced thats all.
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Date Dec. 17 2006 5:08:34
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RE: Sabicas " Guitarists have t... (in reply to Florian)
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When exactly is someone ment to say "yes, today i truley became a flamenco guitarist" and how do they define that, or come to that conclusion?
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Date Dec. 17 2006 5:21:34
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Ron.M
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RE: Sabicas " Guitarists have t... (in reply to Ricardo)
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So he wisely advised him to give up on making him look bad, and just go into jazz fusion instead! I wouldn't call myself a guitarist, let alone a Flamenco guitarist. A guitarist, to me is someone who plays the guitar professionally or semi-professionally or at least does some playing in public. As a listener though, I think of someone as a really good Flamenco guitarist when they can play without a trace of "foreign accent". This is completely separate from technical proficiency This of course is really hard to define, but it's a bit like a good English actor playing an American and having a "not bad" American accent. It sort of spoils the performance, even though the acting may be very good. As I said, it's really hard to define, because you never even think about it when it's not there, but it's noticeable when it is. I'm beginning to sound like Donald Rumsfeld here, so I better sign off. cheers Ron
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Date Dec. 17 2006 11:33:26
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