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Miguel de Maria
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Joined: Oct. 20 2003
From: Phoenix, AZ
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RE: Justice, UK style (in reply to Escribano)
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My fiance's brother, Jay, was a prosecutor here in Arizona for several years. Working in an area near a popular lake, he prosecuted God knows how many DUIs. Jay, like most prosecutors, was very intent on putting people away. There is a mentality among prosecutors that everyone charged with a crime should be put away, for as long as possible. Not knowing the law is not a defense. Sometimes, not committing the crime is no defense. He told us about certain cases where he would go ahead and prosecute although he knew that no crime was committed. His conviction rate was over 90%. This is how it works around here, people run for office boasting of being "tough on crime." Mercy is just not part of their ethos. Now my fiance used to be a public defender for a time. They burned her out though. There was a case where her client was accused of a upper-end misdemeanor that he didn't commit. The prosecution had no case. So, they threatened to charge him with a felony if he didn't plead to the misdemeanor. This means that if they managed to get a guilty verdict (very easy--most jurors believe that if you are accused, you are guilty), he would be in jail for many years--for NOT committing a misdemeanor. If he was not found guilty, being charged with a felony would be part of his permanent record, and would cut him out of public service jobs. Makes you sick to your stomach, doesn't it? An innoccent, young man, sacrificed to a prosecutor's soulless ambition. Now her brother, Jay, is a public defender, not because he wants to help people but becuase he wanted to move here to Phoenix. He landed in the DUI unit. As a former prosecutor, he knows the system in and out and has already gotten a couple of acquittals--for guilty people! He's more interested in winning than in justice, as are 90% of lawyers. As someone pointed out, marijuana possession can get you in a load of trouble here in the US. Given its effects, it seems to be punished disproportionately when compared to alcohol. But people still smoke. Tough laws can make an impact on DUIs, but they still happen. I wonder if the person who killed Guy was rich. People with money get much lighter sentences than poor, ethnic people.
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Date Dec. 8 2003 22:09:16
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Escribano
Posts: 6419
Joined: Jul. 6 2003
From: England, living in Italy
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RE: Justice, UK style (in reply to bailoro2000)
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All participants of the legal trade should be made to spend five years on a council estate as part of their training, then they might know what life on the street is really like Thanks Jim, and I did. I also got on the the wrong end of a Kalashnikov in Africa by a dictator's regime. I was OK, but my driver got beaten up just to teach his friends a lesson. I suspect Guy's killer plead guilty to a lesser offence and the CPS saved some money. When he checks out of prison he will get more of my money immediately because he can't find work as an ex-offender. I, meantime, would have to wait about 8 months to get social security, if I lost my job. As I said, there is a storm coming, and we romantic liberals are leaving the door wide open for Lord knows what. Enough, bless you all and sweet dreams.
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Date Dec. 8 2003 22:57:55
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Phil
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Joined: Jul. 7 2003
From: Rota, Spain
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RE: Justice, UK style (in reply to Escribano)
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Ron said,quote:
When I was in Cordoba in the early 70's I read in the local newspaper of two villains who broke into a local Electrical shop and stole some radio/cassettes recorders. They both got 14 years! Franco didn't mess around! Ron, Those days are long gone. Today in Spain you see people getting 14 year sentences for murder. Every time you read about someone being arrested it's always noted that the person is a 'habitual deliquent', meaning that they've been arrested countless times. There was a recent article in a Spanish magazine written by a Brit who had spent time in various prisons in the UK and in Spain. It was kind of a travel guide for prisons. He said the prisons in Spain were just wonderful places compared to those in the UK. He specifically pointed out that if you're going to commit a crime in Spain, do it in Catalunya, because if you're caught the prisons there are the best! Unfortunately, because of this leniency towards criminals, I've heard some older people on several occasions make the comment that they wished Franco was still around. We certainly don't need that, but that's what happens when the pendulum swings too far in the other direction. The times, they are a changing'. Phil
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Date Dec. 8 2003 23:12:34
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