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As I understand trills are usually played on piano. It's a piano technique. On guitar trills sound lame to me since we use only the left hand. I believe we can get a decent result if we use both hands. Any suggestions on how to get a nice long trill on guitar? For example 0:26-0:33.
RE: Piano trills on guitar (in reply to devilhand)
Cross-string trills that achieve similar effect on guitar are usually done with pmiapmia... or similar four finger right hand sequence. I use paim fingering myself. The problem is that your right hand cannot really pluck anything else while you are employing this technique.
Cross-string trills that achieve similar effect on guitar are usually done with pmiapmia... or similar four finger right hand sequence. I use paim fingering myself.
4 finger paim is a 4 note trill? I mean 4 different notes. I can imagine this will sound more interesting.
In my example above if I read the score correctly, it's a 2 note trill B C B C B C.... It would be i & m free stroke on two adjacent strings?
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RE: Piano trills on guitar (in reply to devilhand)
not terribly interested in this technique or device myself, however, I can imagine a quick cheating version could use iami P, which most flamenco players have down very quick already.
Thanx for the video. Now I see it's still 2 notes on 2 adjacent strings. But what I don't get is why they play it with 4 fingers. As I mentioned above I would prefer i&m or i&a.
not terribly interested in this technique or device myself,
Flamenco guitar music is full of ornaments. I don't know why cross string trills are never used in flamenco. We can at least see it as some odd arpegio pattern. If it's done with i&m or i&a, we have a 2 finger arpegio pattern.
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I can imagine a quick cheating version could use iami P
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RE: Piano trills on guitar (in reply to devilhand)
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I don't know why cross string trills are never used in flamenco.
we use em all the time via picado imimim etc, two strings with notes a half step apart. I thought you wanted specifically the wimpy cross string free stroke sound of the baroque music...that is the thing I don't really care about. For flamenco players it is not really "ornament" since it is part of the music you must play, not some interpretive inflection.
we use the iami grace note tremolo technique for scale runs across strings with index on the lower string. Gerardo shows a tremolo on two strings via rondeña in the encuentro video via F# fretted and open between 4th and 3rd strings with P hitting the bass notes and the Ami rolling over and over. iami is basically ami repeating at the index stroke as a grace note. So for that baroque trill you do index on lower string first then the last stroke cross back up to the higher string...the point being it is a rapid easy movement no matter what string your finger hits and no reason to be super clean about it in flamenco anyway. Thumb stroke comes up for the last note in a 5 note trill.
Basic cross string trill done picado you can see here at 0:06
I thought you wanted specifically the wimpy cross string free stroke sound of the baroque music
My first thought was it can be either a tremolo like sound with 2 alternating notes for example B C B C B C.... or a machine gun picado sound again with 2 alternating notes. I wanted a long trill like in my piano example. A similar result with i&m arpegio at 2:35
Are these your own falstetas Ricardo? Really nice playing - I guess sufficient number of gin-tonics were consumed :)
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I don't know why cross string trills are never used in flamenco.
we use em all the time via picado imimim etc, two strings with notes a half step apart. I thought you wanted specifically the wimpy cross string free stroke sound of the baroque music...that is the thing I don't really care about. For flamenco players it is not really "ornament" since it is part of the music you must play, not some interpretive inflection.
we use the iami grace note tremolo technique for scale runs across strings with index on the lower string. Gerardo shows a tremolo on two strings via rondeña in the encuentro video via F# fretted and open between 4th and 3rd strings with P hitting the bass notes and the Ami rolling over and over. iami is basically ami repeating at the index stroke as a grace note. So for that baroque trill you do index on lower string first then the last stroke cross back up to the higher string...the point being it is a rapid easy movement no matter what string your finger hits and no reason to be super clean about it in flamenco anyway. Thumb stroke comes up for the last note in a 5 note trill.
Basic cross string trill done picado you can see here at 0:06
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