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IS JUAN MARTIN IN THE TOP ?? VOTE
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IS JUAN MARTIN IN THE TOP ?? VOTE
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| JUAN MARTIN IN THE TOP 3 GUITARISTS TODAY |
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| JUAN MARTIN IN THE TOP 10 GUITARISTS TODAY |
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| JUAN MARTIN IN THE TOP 50 GUITARISTS TODAY |
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| JUAN MARTIN IN THE TOP 100 GUITARISTS TODAY |
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| JUAN MARTIN IN THE TOP 300 GUITARISTS TODAY |
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| JUAN MARTIN is somewhere after 500 |
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(last vote on : Apr. 25 2006 18:01:44)
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Florian
Posts: 9282
Joined: Jul. 14 2003
From: Adelaide/Australia
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A celebrated virtuoso of the flamenco guitar who has been voted into the top three guitarists in the world by US magazine Guitar Player, Juan Martín is a native of Andalucía, where he still has a home in Málaga. He spends much time on tour and in London where he has formed an international company, Flamencovision, for the promotion of high quality flamenco which he rehearses and brings direct from Andalucía.
this are quotes pulled off his official website, everypge that has his name on it starts out with this.
Arent u always wondering who does this voting that places him on top 3 best guitarist in the world ? U wanna lett a rock magazine tell you where he stands ?
u can vote anonymously on how u really feel, please try to be honest and fair, i am talking today, his skills and his music, where do you place him.
this is not about putting him down, u get to have your say and place him where u think he belongs.
I know this is stupid, but is entertaining 
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Date Apr. 20 2006 17:19:30
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tluczek
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Joined: Mar. 13 2006
From: Poland
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RE: IS JUAN MARTIN IN THE TOP ?? VOTE (in reply to Florian)
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It's very sad reading this after I organized his concert last week.
The standing ovations said it clearly that if he's not one of the greatest flamenco guitarists in the world, he is a great musician for sure. Only for this I'd rank him higher than many flamenco guitarists, who just produce lots of notes, which say nothing much to me. What he did with moorish music in Musica Alhambra was awesome, 3000 Iranians came to meet him at the airport. It's a shame some of you rank him so low, he brought so much flamenco to the whole world (both with his tours to distant countries and his awesome methods and hard work he put into this - most of the people still don't pay him for it, but download it from the internet and then rank him so low).
Moreover, the great Paco de Lucia takes 70000 EURO for his concert (in 2001 he took 15000 EURO), while tickets to Juan concert cost sometimes even 10 dollars - everyone can afford it and hear some flamenco. It is indeed the music of the poor people, isn't it?
What's interesting, big flamenco stars are usually amplified, Juan doesn't need it. Someone has already said it on the forum.
I guess some of you rank him so low, because of this note - "one of the top 3 guitarists in the world". Wouldn't any of you guitarists mention of it in your review, if you were voted so high in Guitar Player? It's just a promotion, nothing bad, isn't it?
Actually, I'm interested what do you think is wrong with his playing? Don't you like his tarantas or rondenas? I think they're great. Moreover, even the moorish music struck the audience here in Poland. He has great compas, flamenco power of playing, nice melodic falsetas (almost all are pure his own compositions), great old-school eamieami rasgueado, etc.
Maybe answering my question would be better than making laugh of a guitarist who did so much to propagate flamenco all over the world?
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Date Apr. 21 2006 0:00:52
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 RE: IS JUAN MARTIN IN THE TOP ?? VOTE (in reply to Florian)
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I wouldnt go to a Juan Martin concert even if u gave me a free ticket, to tell u the truth i didnt even bother looking at the rumba video on the other thread. But i will admit to using his first instructional book when i started learning flamenco, and it was very helpful so for that i can honestly say he has helped me. But i do remember him saying in the book somewhere 'these are my original falsetas' and it was just plain bull#@%*, it was just a very common traditional falseta that other guitarists had done before him. Hes a better businessman than he is guitarist, theres no question about that. His cds do though, make very good drink coasters.
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Date Apr. 21 2006 1:49:25
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RE: IS JUAN MARTIN IN THE TOP ?? VOTE (in reply to tluczek)
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Many Juan's pieces contains it (aforementioned Tarantas, Rondenas), and it gives me more plaesure to listen to it than most of the stuff of tomatito or vicente.
o.k i put two and two together  , tlucek are you Juan Martin just using an alias?
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Date Apr. 21 2006 3:49:46
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Ricardo
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Joined: Dec. 14 2004
From: Washington DC
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RE: IS JUAN MARTIN IN THE TOP ?? VOTE (in reply to Florian)
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Hmm, who cares? Guitar Player is known for its popularity poll contest. That is all that is meant in his bio. He is one of top 3 most well known flamenco guitarist of Readers of English language guitar mags. Ottmar, Juan, Pack-oh-day-loocheeah. Not a big deal, he is not boasting unfairly if it is the truth.
Some folks learned from him, great. Grisha admits to learning from his vid, as do many others. By the time I saw his vid, I had already studied a lot on my own. My first impression was that he did not have the same playing level as the players I was into. His timing is not "perfect", which is a whole can of worms. The stuff he teaches is sincere and he believes it is helpful, and indead it can be. I have same opinion of other flamenco "methods", players like Koster, graf martinez (although he is pretty even when strumming), juan serrano (although when he was young he was really tight player). But nothing wrong with the way they teach, and they have a right to brag about themselves like anyone else.
The players on Florians list (that I have heard), for the most part are advanced with perfect tempo, playing sounds natural and controlled. The things I hear wrong with my own playing I hear in non spanish flamenco players. It is about the tempo mainly, how it is controlled. Tino Van Dersmann is one of the few that I can't tell by the sound he was not born in Spain. I can't say he is one of my FAVORITE players, but I understand why some would say Juan Martin may not have been born in Spain.
I hear players like Paco, manolo, tomatito, vicente, gerardo, etc. at the same level interms of this stuff. Perfect tempo, very natural. That is how I personally judge musician's playing level. The greats in other musical genres for me personally, exhibit the same qualities. A lot of people I talk to don't notice what I am talking about, or at least to the degree I am talking about. No need for me to like or not like a players compositions to place him in the "best" category. I have a different type of category for that called "favorites".
So Martin?, not my favorite, not the best, but I am not voting.
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Even Paco learnt some rasgueado techniques from Juan - I guess it was his fast eamieami - it has its charm and its very effective -
Por favor.
Ricardo
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Date Apr. 21 2006 17:02:39
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