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There are many youtube tutorials that teach you palos. Since you have musical notation on screen it is obviously not diffult to figure out whats going on in a given measure etc. When I watch clips recorded by random Spanish guitar players they always play to clapping backing track. This is where I get lost completely. I haven't got a clue what is going on in clapping. Since everybody should have proper understanding of palmas (guitar players, singers, dancers) I want to spend some time learning how to clap palos. Can you guys recommend any good youtube tutorials on flamenco palmas ? As a beginner I am afraid I need rhythm notation on screen if possible. There are people who teach palmas on youtube but most of the time they talk about rhythm. For beginner it is not easy to understand what is going on. I think with rhythm notation or any other symbols on the screen learning could be easier for beginner.
RE: palmas por palos-online tutorial... (in reply to rafapak)
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When I watch clips recorded by random Spanish guitar players they always play to clapping backing track. This is where I get lost completely. I haven't got a clue what is going on in clapping.
There are more than one person clapping. As a result we hear polyrhythm. As a beginner you don't need it. What you need is steady beat 1 2 3 4...
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RE: palmas por palos-online tutorial... (in reply to rafapak)
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There are many youtube tutorials that teach you palos. Since you have musical notation on screen it is obviously not diffult to figure out whats going on in a given measure etc. When I watch clips recorded by random Spanish guitar players they always play to clapping backing track. This is where I get lost completely. I haven't got a clue what is going on in clapping. Since everybody should have proper understanding of palmas (guitar players, singers, dancers) I want to spend some time learning how to clap palos. Can you guys recommend any good youtube tutorials on flamenco palmas ? As a beginner I am afraid I need rhythm notation on screen if possible. There are people who teach palmas on youtube but most of the time they talk about rhythm. For beginner it is not easy to understand what is going on. I think with rhythm notation or any other symbols on the screen learning could be easier for beginner.
Your number one problem is that there is no agreed upon universal manner of notating the rhythm/meter of say bulerías, where a large percentage of your guitarists are wanted a backing of palmas. Since the traditional manner of learning this discipline does not use music notation, you are running a risk of learning something “wrong” that would later need more corrections to undo the damage. If you want to learn how to clap in rhythm, I suggest get a basic metronome. Learn basic rudiments. As in 4/4 common time. So look at Tangos. To understand what I mean about the problem, what I call the “&” of count 2 is accented with palmas, which creates the “up beat” feeling relative to the music. Now dancers call that counts 4 and 8, still others only count 4, and a master of the cajon I know calls it count 1!!! So notating it potentially 4 different ways will help you understand? Probably not. But here is the pattern 4 different ways (all the same sound in the end):
(1) &ah 2 &, repeat. (Mine)
(1) 2 y 3 4, (5) 6 y 7 8, repeat. (Dancers)
(1) 2 & 3 4, repeat (most musicians that attempt to notate tangos, never had drum lessons )
(2) 3 y 4 1, repeat (my drummer friend….but he is from Barcelona so? )
The reason mine is the only correct way, is the foot tap, as per marching drums, is the quarter note, ie, count 1 and 2. The hands do the pattern filing in, such that the basic groove is 16th notes. That is the right way to notate it. Now there are folks that want to argue foot is 1,3 (half notes) and the claps are like the snare drum (2, 4), and I won’t waste time arguing this issue. The point is the music notation is only helpful if you are a solid reader and have your clear understanding how the score relates to the sound (probably not needing the score at that point anyway).
You my friend, just need a real teacher one on one.
RE: palmas por palos-online tutorial... (in reply to Ricardo)
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Your number one problem is that there is no agreed upon universal manner of notating the rhythm/meter of say bulerías, where a large percentage of your guitarists are wanted a backing of palmas. Since the traditional manner of learning this discipline does not use music notation, you are running a risk of learning something “wrong” that would later need more corrections to undo the damage. If you want to learn how to clap in rhythm, I suggest get a basic metronome. Learn basic rudiments. As in 4/4 common time. So look at Tangos. To understand what I mean about the problem, what I call the “&” of count 2 is accented with palmas, which creates the “up beat” feeling relative to the music. Now dancers call that counts 4 and 8, still others only count 4, and a master of the cajon I know calls it count 1!!! So notating it potentially 4 different ways will help you understand? Probably not. But here is the pattern 4 different ways (all the same sound in the end):
(1) &ah 2 &, repeat. (Mine)
(1) 2 y 3 4, (5) 6 y 7 8, repeat. (Dancers)
(1) 2 & 3 4, repeat (most musicians that attempt to notate tangos, never had drum lessons )
(2) 3 y 4 1, repeat (my drummer friend….but he is from Barcelona so? )
The reason mine is the only correct way, is the foot tap, as per marching drums, is the quarter note, ie, count 1 and 2. The hands do the pattern filing in, such that the basic groove is 16th notes. That is the right way to notate it. Now there are folks that want to argue foot is 1,3 (half notes) and the claps are like the snare drum (2, 4), and I won’t waste time arguing this issue. The point is the music notation is only helpful if you are a solid reader and have your clear understanding how the score relates to the sound (probably not needing the score at that point anyway).
You my friend, just need a real teacher one on one.
thanks for reply when I talk about rhythm notation I mean any attempt to help people to visualize what's going on in rhythm. This guy here
uses white board to teach people. He counts the rhythm while at the same time you can hear backing track playing. As a beginner you immediately know that first beat is silent and next three are heard. As a beginner you immediately know what is going on. At least on very simple level but still you understand how basic tango rhythm works.
in this video here
you have beats and accents written in different colours, you have clapping palms drawn so that it is easier to follow what they do, you can see his feet and what they are doing etc.
I wonder if dvds like this one are still available for buying.
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So notating it potentially 4 different ways will help you understand? Probably not. But here is the pattern 4 different ways (all the same sound in the end): 
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