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is it bad to use free stroke with the thumb when doing arpeggios and tremolos?

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I’m simply asking why it seems they do more free strokes in general

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ORIGINAL: Ricardo

Try this and if you get it, apply it to arpegio the same way. Tremolo is an arpegio type technique only on one string instead of three. Yes there will be plenty of times you don’t rest but, doing it often should not be a “problem”. Once you can do it, you are free to make your own decision based on taste….but don’t use taste as an excuse.

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ORIGINAL: Stu

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I’m simply asking why it seems they do more free strokes in general

Grisha is is originally a cassical player. That is why. You answered your own question.

I dunno, do what you want really. I seem to recall the late Great Ron Mitchell's signature on the foro said something along the lines of...."this stuff is hard"

If you're classically trained maybe you can wing it and get away with playing some kind of flamenco with your old technique habits.
But that would be cutting a corner. It's hard cos you aren't used to it.
Id say keep practicing, slowly and force yourself to play rest strokes. I'm sure you can crack it!

What about flamenco tremolo. You play much of that compared to classics tremolo? How did that feel?

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I’m simply asking why it seems they do more free strokes in general, I really don’t see grisha using rest strokes with arpeggios or tremolo, my hand placement looks similar to his and I’m wondering if that is ok to do. Grisha was a classical guitarist, and so was I.

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. I would say use rest stroke on the bass strings wherever possible?

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Free stroke on D String in ami arpegio on GBE strings

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ORIGINAL: Ricardo

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I’m simply asking why it seems they do more free strokes in general, I really don’t see grisha using rest strokes with arpeggios or tremolo, my hand placement looks similar to his and I’m wondering if that is ok to do. Grisha was a classical guitarist, and so was I.

To be totally fair and honest….you are noticing a shortcoming in self taught individuals that learned by ear. I am saying that as one of the same. I had to “unlearn” the classical freestroke thumb as it seemed unnatural to rest a bass and play a treble simultaneously like pat the head rub the belly type coordination. It basically slows you down for a while until you internalize the feeling. I spoke with Grisha privately once about a certain piece where I notice it totally affects the sound. If you did not know it, in the early years of Grisha’s videos he would get criticized for not sounding flamenco enough etc…but nobody that was criticizing him seemed to realize a small technical issue regarding the apoyando thumb that massively affects the sound. I remember some people figured jealousy since Grisha plays orders of magnitude faster than everybody else, matching paco and Sabicas note for note etc. Well I discussed one piece with him where I suggested he take the time to get it the right way because it would sound “better” or more flamenco or whatever, and he admitted he did try it and it slowed his tempo far below what he needed to perform. I totally get it…it is like you are saying, it is too many years of having learned to avoid the technique.

Encountering students that are beginner they don’t have this problem because they don’t have the 10k hours of training tirando pulgar opposite fingers. I treat all my personal students as beginners in this regard because the classical and big etc guitar players that start with flamenco after years of some other style, have a huge advantage but they simply can’t see that with regard to these little issues. It is so much easier to make excuses (Sabicas or PDL used a tirando thumb in these important spots!!! Etc). The point is, lesser players than yourselves CAN do it, and so can you. Rather than considering it as “unlearning” an old habit for the same music…pretend it is simply BRAND NEW music starting from scratch using a novel technical device.

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ORIGINAL: elias

Just practice it super slowly. Thumb rest stroke felt incredibly awkward and constraining for me at first but now I love it and think it's really fun. Just keep practising.