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RE: Grands Cantaores du Flamenco (in reply to Ricardo)
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Can you give some track titles you are interested in?
It’s not about tracks, Ricardo, I’m trying to catalogue them, as Amazon has become a complete shambles.
This is what I have so far:
01 Pepe de la Matrona. Guitarists: Román el Granaíno & Pedro Soler. 02 Niño de Almadén. Guitarists: Román el Granaíno & Pedro Soler. 03 Niña de los Peines. Guitarists: Melchor de Marchena, Niño Ricardo & Manolo de Badajoz. 04 Terremoto de Jerez. Guitarists: Manuel Morao & Paco de Antequera 05 Ramón Montoya. 06 Carmen Amaya. Guitarists: Sabicas, & José or Paco Amaya. 07 Manolo Caracol. Guitarists: Melchor de Marchena & Unknown 08 Manuel Agujetas. Guitarist: Parilla de Jerez. 09 Antonio Mairena. Guitarist: Melchor de Marchena 10 Pepe Marchena. Guitarists: Paquito Simón, Ramón Montoya & Perico del Lunar 11 Niño Ricardo. 12 El Borrico. Guitarists: Paco Cepero & Paco de Antequera 13 La Perla de Cádiz. Guitarists: Manuel Morao & Zafiro. 14 Sabicas. Several tracks are mislabelled. 15 Camarón. Guitarists: Paco de Lucía, Ramón de Algeciras, Tomatito & Raimundo Amador 16 El Sordera. Guitarist: Felix de Utrera. 17 Beni de Cádiz. Guitarists: Pepe Martínez, José Manuel Roldán & Unknown. 18 Rafael Romero. Guitarist: Perico del Lunar. 19 Tía Anica la Piriñaca. Guitarists: Diego Carrasco & Juan Moreno. 20 Juan Talega. Guitarists: Paco Aguilera, Eduardo de la Malena, Melchor de Marchena, Niño Ricardo, Manuel Moreno & El Poeta. 21 Porrinas de Badajoz (Guitarists: Paco Aguilera, Justo de Badajoz, Niño Ricardo, Pepe de Badajoz, Melchor de Marchena, Ramón Montoya, Carlos Montoya & Juan Serrano) 22 La Paquera de Jerez (Guitarists TBD) 23 Canalejas de Puerto Real (Guitarists TBD) 24 Pepe Pinto (Guitarists TBD) 25 Curro de Utrera (Guitarist: Rafael El Cordobés) 26 Roque Montoya ‘Jarrito’ (Guitarists: Antonio Arenas, Luis Maravilla & Paco Aguilera
RE: Grands Cantaores du Flamenco (in reply to Paul Magnussen)
Are you just looking for the information that’s included in the recordings, then? Because “liner notes” or whatever they’re called nowadays are pretty famously unreliable. For example, that recording of Agujetas (number 8 on your list) features the playing of Manolo Sanlúcar and David Serva, in addition to “Parilla” de Jerez (it’s “Parrilla” with double r; my copy of the CD has the same mistake).
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RE: Grands Cantaores du Flamenco (in reply to Paul Magnussen)
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It’s not about tracks, Ricardo, I’m trying to catalogue them,
If I heard ONE track, I would recognize Parrilla or Morao, or Sanlúcar, any day. I have compilations that use any of those guitarists. Considering you are not going track by track then just put those guys if you want. Also, wasn’t that famous buleria from Borrico used on the collection of Terremoto or others? So, Cepero would be missing. And a huge etc. if you get my drift. If you care we can go track by track.
Are you just looking for the information that’s included in the recordings, then? Because “liner notes” or whatever they’re called nowadays are pretty famously unreliable.
Yes, in my innocence I wasn’t looking any further than the booklets
RE: Grands Cantaores du Flamenco (in reply to Paul Magnussen)
From the point of view of a collector or archivist, right? I get that.
I had a look at a pretty big collection of ripped material (mp3s from vinyl, cassette and CD, often with images of the jacket/sleeve/insert, which is how I could have contributed here), but there weren’t any of those recordings of the three artists. There are, however, others that might have the same tracks in the same order. For example, I know some of Orbis Fabri’s “Arte flamenco” reissues are identical to recordings of other labels. And Universal’s “Grandes cantaores del flamenco” series sounds like the same product for the market in Spain, but I don’t know. In that sense, a list of all the tracks on those three recordings would be useful.
RE: Grands Cantaores du Flamenco (in reply to Paul Magnussen)
Problem solved, no?
I was going to add that there’s a Terremoto track with Antonio Arenas. There may be more, but I’m referring to a siguiriya. You’d expect Morao there, but it’s clearly not, and Arenas plays a pretty cool falseta that I haven’t heard anywhere else but on a recording of Pepe el Culata, also with Arenas. Sounds very ricardoish and may even go back to Javier Molina. The point I’m trying to make, probably unnecessarily, is that you can never be sure about credits.
There was a series of monographic reissues that was particularly bad in that sense because it even got the singers wrong!
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