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stratos13
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Joined: Apr. 11 2005
From: Αθήνα
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RE: Echoes of Greece.. (in reply to Romanza)
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Hi there.I am from Greece and so i should place my reply on this. i don't really know, but there sure is a great connection between the folk music of Greece and Spain. I am not the right person to aproach the similarities academically, but for sure i can give u some examples of my personal experiances on the subject. There is a style of greek music called rembetico, that sounds scaringly close to flamenco, and also has somewhat the same kind of feeling. I remember myself playing Asturias for my grandfather Sotiris, and he told me after. That was very magiko (μάγκικο), it is good for meraklides (μερακλήδες). These words are used when we are reffering to something that had a good rembetico feel to it. Also, at many times when i play flamenco songs, people say: Oh that was a greek song right? It is almost only the rasgueados that make them understand it was actually a flamenco song. Other spanish songs that greek non-musicians falsely think of as being greek, are surprisingly: Romanza, Concierto Aranjuez (Adagio), every Farruca, La Paloma and others... Just a thing i have noticed through the years. ps. Sorry for my poor English
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Date Apr. 13 2006 14:42:16
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Exitao
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From: Vancouver, Canada
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RE: Echoes of Greece.. (in reply to Romanza)
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I was thinking more about entry into Spain. The logical place for mounting an attack on spain would have been Morocco. I don't know which was named first, but I do know that the names Moor(ish) and Morocco are etymologically linked. This is what one online dictionary says: quote:
Moor "North African, Berber," 1390, from O.Fr. More, from M.L. Morus, from L. Maurus "inhabitant of Mauritania" (northwest Africa, a region now corresponding to northern Algeria and Morocco), from Gk. Mauros, perhaps a native name, or else cognate with mauros "black" (but this adj. only appears in late Gk. and may as well be from the people's name as the reverse). Being a dark people in relation to Europeans, their name in the Middle Ages was a synonym for "Negro;" later (16c.-17c.) used indiscriminately of Muslims (Persians, Arabs, etc.) but especially those in India. So it used to be Mauritania... One of the etymological theories of the word Gypsy posits that they were assumed to have migrated to Europe from Egypt (not that his implies they were Egyptian, just that's where they had come from).
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Date Apr. 17 2006 13:27:31
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Ricardo
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RE: Echoes of Greece.. (in reply to Kate)
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Regards the word Gypsy/Gitano, again I agree, it is a European word from when the first recorded Gypsies in Spain claimed to be pilgrims from Egypt Kate, you often talk about "walkin down" to see your gipsy or morocan friends. Do you mean the Albaicin area, that long ass set of stairs where they sell stuff? Did you ever see some gringo guiripayo idiot carrying a set of matched luggage with wheels behind, pushing a baby stroller with a lap top computer, portable DVD player, several Corte Ingles bags in front, with two guitars strapped on (one a negra), wearing freakin cowboy boots, going down that WHOLE walkway behind some hot fashion model with a toddler, last July? That would have been me. Luckily, she carried the stuff she bought along the way...until we got down to the bottom and could find a place to hang it on me. Anyway, my friend is a flamenco singer from sevilla, gitano, he says his "clan", his people are from egypt. They know there are other gypsies from elswhere, but have it in their tradition to teach the next generation their roots are in egypt. So they have believed that for a long time, not sure why they would make it up. He does not have anything against the other gypsies from India or where ever they may have come from. So why would they need to make it up that they came from Egypt? I mean what is the prestige of being a pilgrim from Egypt vs a pilgrim from India? So by saying "everyone has agreed" you mean the ethnomusicologists or whoever studies them, not the gypsies themselves...right? It is pretty interesting regardless. Anyway, he personally feels that flamenco cante is most similar to Arabic singing, vs other musics flamenco is often compared to.
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Date Apr. 18 2006 6:21:01
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Kate
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Joined: Jul. 8 2003
From: Living in Granada, Andalucía
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RE: Echoes of Greece.. (in reply to Ricardo)
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo Kate, you often talk about "walkin down" to see your gipsy or morocan friends. Do you mean the Albaicin area, that long ass set of stairs where they sell stuff? Did you ever see some gringo guiripayo idiot carrying a set of matched luggage with wheels behind, pushing a baby stroller with a lap top computer, portable DVD player, several Corte Ingles bags in front, with two guitars strapped on (one a negra), wearing freakin cowboy boots, going down that WHOLE walkway behind some hot fashion model with a toddler, last July? That would have been me. Luckily, she carried the stuff she bought along the way...until we got down to the bottom and could find a place to hang it on me. Yes I'm in the Albaicin and I walk up and down those steps usually about twice a day. Its my alternative to working out in a gym. Mind you if I was carrying as much as you were with toddler in tow I would have got the bus. Its funny but people who live here talk about going down to Granada as if they were not in Granada at all, and sometimes it feels like that. Have you a photo posted somewhere to see if I recognise you. I think I would have noticed the cowboy boots in July Kate
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Date Apr. 18 2006 11:38:53
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