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RE: Antonio Rey free masterclass on ... (in reply to orsonw)
Watched most of this today. I am getting a kick out of hearing players talk about stuff lately more so than watching them play on 'tutorial' 'masterclass' videos. Perhaps prompted by Samuel Moore's interview series.
I know Antonio is phenomenal and a fantastic composer. But I do find some of the little bits he plays to pituquete a little bit over the top/overwhelming. Don't get me wrong. I know he's capable of slower delicate, beautiful melodic stuff. But all that mad picado, dancing up and down the fret board and that hammering of single note picado. I'm not so keen.
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RE: Antonio Rey free masterclass on ... (in reply to Stu)
I posted before about how a friend asked him what part timers should focus on when they practice, given that many of us only have an hour or two a day to dedicate. He said he had no idea because in the 8 hours a day that he plays, it's not nearly enough to play all the guitar he wants to play.
I've been watching and listening to him for a few years since I saw him in concert, which was actually an incredible experience. I've noticed that even though he has written a lot of material, in vids where he is playing casually, he plays many of the same passages over and over and over.
I think, and I could be wrong, that those endless picados are what he needs to do so that when he plays in concert, it comes out right.
Grisha said something similar in a recent video when he said two hours a day isn't enough to progress on the guitar.
Seems the price of admission for concert playing is really really high.
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ORIGINAL: Stu
Watched most of this today. I am getting a kick out of hearing players talk about stuff lately more so than watching them play on 'tutorial' 'masterclass' videos. Perhaps prompted by Samuel Moore's interview series.
I know Antonio is phenomenal and a fantastic composer. But I do find some of the little bits he plays to pituquete a little bit over the top/overwhelming. Don't get me wrong. I know he's capable of slower delicate, beautiful melodic stuff. But all that mad picado, dancing up and down the fret board and that hammering of single note picado. I'm not so keen.
RE: Antonio Rey free masterclass on ... (in reply to orsonw)
John Williams also studied only 2 hours a day all his life, if I remember correctly, he admitted in a video interview. He just said he does not waste time playing the whole pieces but instead spends his every minute improving specifics.
For example, he said, Villa Lobos etude No.1, most people play the whole piece in order to play it better. He would just study some minutes just the a-m combination near the end of the arpegio, which is where everyone has a problem with. So he solves completely those technical "problems" within minutes and move on saving great amounts of time.
Fo God's sake, even I have studied more than John Williams and I completely suck compared to him playing only with the pinky, on both hands!!!
RE: Antonio Rey free masterclass on ... (in reply to Stu)
Yep! He’s always improving por Taranta! Here, it sounded like he started off with a pentatonic blues scale.
For a guitarist on guitarist interview, I thought the questions were kind of fluff. Like “how does technique limit expression” come on, man lol! But I guess there is only so much in general you can ask without getting into an actual masterclass type interview. The question on pre concert anxiety warm up was relevant.
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RE: Antonio Rey free masterclass on ... (in reply to AndresK)
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John Williams also studied only 2 hours a day all his life, if I remember correctly, he admitted in a video interview.
. It was actually 30 minutes. He says his father was his main teacher, Django style jazz player. Only half an hour a day. Probably he could play through a few full length pieces. I am sure the exaggeration there is that for concert prep he would have to at least run the full program once a day.
RE: Antonio Rey free masterclass on ... (in reply to JasonM)
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For a guitarist on guitarist interview, I thought the questions were kind of fluff. Like “how does technique limit expression” come on, man lol! But I guess there is only so much in general you can ask without getting into an actual masterclass type interview. The question on pre concert anxiety warm up was relevant.
RE: Antonio Rey free masterclass on ... (in reply to JasonM)
The man himself. Mr. Malmsteen. Recall this famous quote of Billy Corgan from the year 1995.
"The downfall of the Yngwie Malmsteen school of guitar playing, which focuses almost solely on technical proficiency, has occurred because ultimately, no one really gives two ****s about guitar playing in and of itself, except maybe other guitar players."
I hope Mr. Beato asks him about his opinion on this subject.
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RE: Antonio Rey free masterclass on ... (in reply to devilhand)
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The downfall of the Yngwie Malmsteen school of guitar playing, which focuses almost solely on technical proficiency, has occurred because ultimately, no one really gives two ****s about guitar playing in and of itself, except maybe other guitar players.
There was no “downfall” whatsoever. That opinion is based on the change of media emphasis in USA only….grunge and gangster rap knocked aside “hair metal” and “shred guitar” music from mainstream periodicals. The depressing genres have also changed…sadly (but not surprisingly) many artists have been claimed by suicide or drive by shootings, topics glorified by the genres. Self fulfilled prophecy.
Meanwhile “hair-guitar metal” thrives in Sweden and Germany and Latin America, and Yngwie has not changed a single darn thing about his style or performances.
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RE: Antonio Rey free masterclass on ... (in reply to JasonM)
Never been a fan but that was a great interview. Funny how many electric guitarists obsess over ther smallest piece of gear. "Well, I only use these cords" and they somehow think it's significant. I do remember being picky about some things when I was playing a lot of electric guitar, but not to the extent some folks seem to be. From the interview it seems Yngwie thinks some details are important that I would be like Bah, doesn't matter. But, it's his gig so he can do whatever.
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For a guitarist on guitarist interview, I thought the questions were kind of fluff. Like “how does technique limit expression” come on, man lol! But I guess there is only so much in general you can ask without getting into an actual masterclass type interview. The question on pre concert anxiety warm up was relevant.
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RE: Antonio Rey free masterclass on ... (in reply to kitarist)
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Now this is a proper guitar player interview
Wow, that was sooo great!
Yes, picks and gear, scalloping the neck, technical stuff. You can always tell which guitarists Rick likes or doesn’t like. If he likes them, it always shifts to MUSICAL details about specific pieces. One thing is funny that they edited out some things like when Yngwie talked about “the band” that he was in. Those stories are widely known so it must have been a special request to delete that he was in Alcatraz.
I will say the main thing I learned here was that considering he worked with some of the greatest singers I have heard (metal), Soto, Boals, Turner, Ripper, etc. And he goes through them like he discards picks. The thing is, the work they did for him is MUCH better than their independent projects, in terms of them really SINGING. So I wondered about it for years, he never gets asked about it. But here it turns out he grew up with OPERA SINGERS in his house, and I realized he had the ear to pull the best out of those guys in the studio. That is his vibrato and high note expression, etc. Probably frustrates him to hold all the singers to that standard and he was never happy.
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RE: Antonio Rey free masterclass on ... (in reply to JasonM)
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And he goes through them like he discards picks.
Sad but true. Hear he is a difficult guy to work with
He was ripped off on his first tour (according to Mark Boals), so he couldn’t pay Soto or Johansson brothers. The bassist joined with Soto and they had their own band (forgot the name) Boals had to do the video for I’ll see the light tonight and sing all Soto parts on tour while they produced Trilogy. Yngwie still not getting paid. To the tune of $million dollars he was owed and had to get a lawyer. Unfortunately Boals said he had to dip out until they could get paid so Soto came back in and had to sing Trilogy songs! So both guys were great at singing each other’s stuff. Yngwie had a car crash and I assume finally came into the money to pay his musicians? Regardless there is bad blood with the two singers due to not getting paid on time or at all. I assume that this issue carried on with Yngwie through his career where he needed to get paid before the musicians and nobody likes waiting for money. (To be honest I am in the same boat as a working pro…I am not a Bank and I am not going to sell a Conde to pay for gigs up front, etc.).
Alchemy is the unique situation where he brings Boals back (the only singer I think he ever worked with that returned) and the deal was cash upfront for every show. Two albums and multiple tours worked out for Boals. But one day he did not receive pay and and he Told Yngwie he was done. Yngwie gave him his word as a “gentleman” to do the next show. When the pay did not come after the second show, he said “adios”. It is sad, but I am sure this issue is that Yngwie refuses or simply can’t afford to front people’s money. He would have to sell a Ferrari or a guitar to do so. I talked to his recent bands and they said the same, they play for free and get money sometimes a year later so nobody can afford to work with him is the problem. Last show I saw he announces “Everybody knows I change my band every time, so…..say Hi to the new guys”. .
The only singer who never said a bad thing about Yngwie and even admitted he did not understand everybody’s problem with him was Ripper Owens. Apparently he got paid…but obviously Yngwie did not really like him. There is some cool live footage of him singing Viking etc, but stylistically it is very different to what Yngwie seems to like. Yngwie is not a bad singer himself but his mic has to be with trebles way down or else feedback, as it is in front of the cabinets.
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RE: Antonio Rey free masterclass on ... (in reply to JasonM)
Last night I got to play the Yngwie model fender strat. Good grief it was hard to play. Extremely high action and the 8 gauge strings feel like 12 gauge! You fret a chord and it is out of tune until you adjust your finger pressure just right due to the extreme scalloping. The pick ups do sound good though.
RE: Antonio Rey free masterclass on ... (in reply to Ricardo)
Lord have mercy look at that action! It’s like a slide guitar! Does it have to be set up so high above the frets?
Yng not paying up front for gigs… can’t say I blame any pro musician for not doing a gig. I had read somewhere that, Soto?, was recalling that working with him was fine when he wasn’t having one of his tantrums. I just googled Soto and saw something about some recent drama about threading to cancel a show if the other was in the audience or something… sounds like money disputes!
RE: Antonio Rey free masterclass on ... (in reply to Ricardo)
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There was no “downfall” whatsoever. That opinion is based on the change of media emphasis in USA only….grunge and gangster rap knocked aside “hair metal” and “shred guitar” music from mainstream periodicals.
The end of this senseless shreding on guitar was a matter of time. Paul Gilbert talks about rhythmic and non rhythmic guitar playing. To me non-rhythmic guitar playing is not music.
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RE: Antonio Rey free masterclass on ... (in reply to devilhand)
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To me non-rhythmic guitar playing is not music.
I guess you don’t like most of flamenco then? Jeez wtf
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The end of this senseless shreding on guitar was a matter of time.
Either this thing never existed or what you thought it was, never ended. I am confused which. Gilbert talking un accompanied guitar solos, which he continues to do as many do, and is realizing, as a teacher, this obvious thing is not obvious to beginners or something.
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So both guys were great at singing each other’s stuff. Yngwie had a car crash and I assume finally came into the money to pay his musicians? Regardless there is bad blood with the two singers due to not getting paid on time or at all. I assume that this issue carried on with Yngwie through his career where he needed to get paid before the musicians and nobody likes waiting for money. (To be honest I am in the same boat as a working pro…I am not a Bank and I am not going to sell a Conde to pay for gigs up front, etc.). 
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