Chicuelo short interview/lesson presentation

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AndresK

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From: Patras, Greece

Chicuelo short interview/lesson pres...

I found this interview quite honest. And as he says and we all know, guitar is enslaving.

https://youtu.be/h0Wr-fboazI?si=e_n_SeL9hxS9MVqs

P.s. I really do not want to 'pollute' the foro with new threads but I could not find somewhere else to post this. If someone knows better please suggest it and I would happily move this post there and delete the new thread.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 15 2023 9:03:07

Stu

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From: London (the South of it), England

RE: Chicuelo short interview/lesson ... (in reply to AndresK)

Yes saw this. Enjoyable. There's another clip from these guys where he drops some knowledge about having compass inside you! It's deep!

Detmar, who's company this is, has done very well getting chicuelo involved! Certainly piqued my interest!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 15 2023 11:31:58

orsonw

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RE: Chicuelo short interview/lesson ... (in reply to AndresK)

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And as he says and we all know, guitar is enslaving.

Just saw him tonight with Qawwali flamenco. He was working hard being the musical director, communicating between the groups, cueing the singers, at the end of some pieces he had a sigh of relief, then asking for more guitar in his monitor, having to keep tuning the damn thing, and with all that he was also playing the guitar very well. What a difficult thing it is to play flamenco guitar at his level.

It was a great night with beautiful singing. Faiz Ali Faiz and Melchora Ortega were great. It seemed that the singers were really inspiring each other to go deeper. Tomas de Perrate sang an outstanding tonás.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 15 2023 22:18:49

Stu

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From: London (the South of it), England

RE: Chicuelo short interview/lesson ... (in reply to orsonw)

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Just saw him tonight with Qawwali flamenco

Whaaaat?? Where? In London?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 15 2023 22:33:29

Stu

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From: London (the South of it), England

RE: Chicuelo short interview/lesson ... (in reply to Stu)

Aw man. Just found it at the Barbican. One night only! Gutted. Glad you got to see it Orson!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 15 2023 22:35:18

orsonw

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From: London

RE: Chicuelo short interview/lesson ... (in reply to Stu)

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Aw man. Just found it at the Barbican. One night only! Gutted. Glad you got to see it Orson!

I did post it here in June but under 'Tomas Parrate in London'.
http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=347309&appid=&p=&mpage=1&key=qawwali%2Cflamenco&tmode=&smode=&s=#347309

If you like Dani de Morón he is in London this coming Saturday 21st. I can appreciate what he's doing but personally his music does nothing for me. Patricia Guerrero is such a great bailaora that I have gone to see him a couple of times just to see her performing.

https://www.kingsplace.co.uk/whats-on/contemporary/dani-de-moron-duo/

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 15 2023 22:51:46

Ricardo

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From: Washington DC

RE: Chicuelo short interview/lesson ... (in reply to orsonw)

quote:

ORIGINAL: orsonw

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And as he says and we all know, guitar is enslaving.

Just saw him tonight with Qawwali flamenco. He was working hard being the musical director, communicating between the groups, cueing the singers, at the end of some pieces he had a sigh of relief, then asking for more guitar in his monitor, having to keep tuning the damn thing, and with all that he was also playing the guitar very well. What a difficult thing it is to play flamenco guitar at his level.

It was a great night with beautiful singing. Faiz Ali Faiz and Melchora Ortega were great. It seemed that the singers were really inspiring each other to go deeper. Tomas de Perrate sang an outstanding tonás.

Wow, I am surprised they still do that project. The impression I got from their interview was Chicuelo was frustrated because of the harmony aspect (in that, they don’t use it and Flamenco is clearly not Eastern music in this sense what so ever, and the forced blend reveals the clash), and Faiz was concerned with mixture of profane and Spiritual lyric material (is this not some type of Blasphemy??). Sounds like there is still those issues going on. Were Duquende and Poveda still involved or did Perrate replace someone?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 16 2023 11:30:59

JasonM

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RE: Chicuelo short interview/lesson ... (in reply to orsonw)

Orson,

Thats awesome! Has it evolved again since the last concert?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 16 2023 14:38:40

orsonw

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From: London

RE: Chicuelo short interview/lesson ... (in reply to Ricardo)

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..Chicuelo was frustrated because of the harmony aspect (in that, they don’t use it and Flamenco is clearly not Eastern music in this sense what so ever, and the forced blend reveals the clash), and Faiz was concerned with mixture of profane and Spiritual lyric material (is this not some type of Blasphemy??).

For me both those issues are still apparent. Clearly the music does not fit together naturally, it's more like shifting back and forth between the two. The harmony clashes and doesn't work with the flow of the qawwali drone.

Chicuelo is the bridge between e.g. responding to Faiz' vocal lines repeating/answering on the guitar. The other thing in common is the intensity of the singing. Faiz ensemble transcending their human finitude in a conscious and spiritually explicit way (even though I think often the poetry/lyrics can be secular on the surface?). The flamencos transcending their human finitude but not in an explicitly spiritual mode, and with something of the profane also present.

I would prefer to see Faiz Ali Ensemble on their own and the flamencos on their own. But I'm grateful for whatever I can get in London. And despite the limitations there were some moments of great singing and something beautiful about their communication and attempts to bridge the gap.

Doesn't seem to have evolved much from that concert 2013, or even from when I originally saw them with Duquende (and I think Mara Rey). This time it was Melchora Ortega and Tomas de Perrate.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 16 2023 16:21:29

mark indigo

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RE: Chicuelo short interview/lesson ... (in reply to AndresK)

thanks for posting, good to watch on foro without youtube adds

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I really do not want to 'pollute' the foro with new threads but I could not find somewhere else to post this.

don't know what others think, but I think new threads are ok? Makes it easier to find or refer back to the video if there is a thread with it in the title.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 16 2023 17:39:21

devilhand

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RE: Chicuelo short interview/lesson ... (in reply to AndresK)

Who else had to go through this at 16:45? I feel very lucky to have all these youtube videos so that I can watch everything in slo mo.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 16 2023 17:46:45

Mark2

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From: San Francisco

RE: Chicuelo short interview/lesson ... (in reply to devilhand)

That was the way. After ruining a few records I would record the tune at half speed on a cassette by slowing down the turntable. Of course it played back an octave lower.

The tools available today-specifically Moises, are a dream. Even being able to watch this video-stuff like this did not exist in the 80's.

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ORIGINAL: devilhand

Who else had to go through this at 16:45? I feel very lucky to have all these youtube videos so that I can watch everything in slo mo.