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rafapak

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internet courses that teach not tech...

can you guys recommend internet courses that dont necessarily concentrate on techniques but more concentrate on rhythmic patterns in relation to flamenco music ? i want to do it in proper order, first understanding rhythm, next learning techniques

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 17 2023 22:43:03

silddx

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RE: internet courses that teach not ... (in reply to rafapak)

Flamenco Explained does palmas tutorials for most of the palos in their collection.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 18 2023 11:36:06

rafapak

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RE: internet courses that teach not ... (in reply to silddx)

thanks

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Ricardo

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RE: internet courses that teach not ... (in reply to rafapak)

Siguiriyas at 14 min (llamada) and 16 min (basic compas):

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 19 2023 16:59:42

Ricardo

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RE: internet courses that teach not ... (in reply to Ricardo)

General question to foro members. I know everybody is at different levels, and that even advanced players that do things differently than myself might learn some new detail in any of those basic compás demos. The Soleá I linked in a different thread (provided below) teaches beginners how to do golpe opposite the index down stroke as well. So my question is which of the 4 videos do you guys find EASY to follow or very difficult to follow (since no music is provided). The siguiriyas I am only referring to the two short Compás sections, I know the falsetas are advanced.

Even though I am an advocate for note reading, I don’t think it helps for basic compas as much as for falsetas, due to the complexity of detail that occurs with basic strumming. For example the siguiriyas example has several 16th note triplet trills and such, 32nd note rasgueados etc. Beginner note readers should not be dealing with reading those types of subdivisions, however, I think they are relatively easy to execute.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 20 2023 18:42:47

orsonw

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RE: internet courses that teach not ... (in reply to Ricardo)

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General question to foro members.

The elite guitarist videos are clearly explained and easy to follow. My preference is to learn by ear and visually, so all videos including the siguiriyas are easy to follow.

Thanks for reminding me of the siguiriyas video. I have been learning the traditional siguiriyas falsetas the last two days. I am finding it a great rhythm/ technique work out to get the triplet falsetas. I find the falsetas are challenging but I find your explanation clear, other than the confusion between your cierres and Paco's. I'm trying to learn Paco's.

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devilhand

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RE: internet courses that teach not ... (in reply to Ricardo)

Easy to follow probably due to the degree of difficulty in the following order: Solea - Fandango - Tango. I haven't watched Siguiriya yet.

You mentioned and played abanico in Fandango and Tango video. But never showed how to play. Abanico triplet with pulgar up is PAIP?

Another point is abanico at 2:52 in Tango video. It's not 6&7. It's syncopated &7.
To demonstrate the right rhythmic feeling of basic compas, this kind of detail is important.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 20 2023 22:23:23

orsonw

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RE: internet courses that teach not ... (in reply to devilhand)

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It's syncopated &7.

That is exactly what he demonstrates. He counts '6', then plays and counts, '&7'. Can you not hear that?

The problem is without feedback beginners are always going to misunderstand a video, however clearly explained.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 20 2023 22:39:34

Stu

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RE: internet courses that teach not ... (in reply to devilhand)

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Another point is abanico at 2:52 in Tango video. It's not 6&7. It's syncopated &7.
To demonstrate the right rhythmic feeling of basic compas, this kind of detail is important.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 20 2023 23:31:53

johnnefastis

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RE: internet courses that teach not ... (in reply to rafapak)

Ricardo’s material is obviously brilliant.

I can also recommend Online Flamenco which has some great content and Tino has some videos that focus on rhythm and compas without guitar. A lot of the material is also notated too.

https://onlineflamenco.com/

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devilhand

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RE: internet courses that teach not ... (in reply to orsonw)

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That is exactly what he demonstrates. He counts '6', then plays and counts, '&7'.

It only lasted a second. He should have pointed it out. As I mentioned &7 is an important detail.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 21 2023 0:37:10

mark indigo

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RE: internet courses that teach not ... (in reply to Ricardo)

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General question to foro members. I know everybody is at different levels, and that even advanced players that do things differently than myself might learn some new detail in any of those basic compás demos. The Soleá I linked in a different thread (provided below) teaches beginners how to do golpe opposite the index down stroke as well. So my question is which of the 4 videos do you guys find EASY to follow or very difficult to follow (since no music is provided). The siguiriyas I am only referring to the two short Compás sections, I know the falsetas are advanced.

I haven't signed in for a couple of days, but I have watched the Soleá, Tangos and Fandangos videos all the way through. Can't fault them at all and they are really easy for me to follow, but I have been doing this awhile, although I don't consider myself to be advanced level.

I have the compás variations por tangos and por fandangos, with both 2 and 3 finger caballo [gallop] and both abanico and fingers for the tangos cierre in my general tool kit and have played them many hours for dance classes etc. with a bunch of other typical mix and match variations in right and left hands.

The Soleá with index down-up playing 16ths is not something I have done before, except then I realised I do more or less that for slow Soleá escobilla - in fact what I have often played is kind of the trick you show for developing index down with golpe, where I play golpe-up-down-up on non accented beats in the first half of the compas, and a 4 or 5 finger rajeo ending on 3 and 6 (but starting from the previous index upstroke).

I guess it must be hard with pre-recorded video lessosn like these to know who you are pitching it at, and I assume these are for guitarists who already play other styles but are new to flamenco? Maybe an absolute beginner would have more trouble following the left hand?

Shame more people haven't offered you feedback, especially those nearer (or at) the beginner level.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 22 2023 21:30:08

mark indigo

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RE: internet courses that teach not ... (in reply to rafapak)

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can you guys recommend internet courses that dont necessarily concentrate on techniques but more concentrate on rhythmic patterns in relation to flamenco music ? i want to do it in proper order, first understanding rhythm, next learning techniques

If you want another take on this, try these:

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 22 2023 21:57:21

silddx

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RE: internet courses that teach not ... (in reply to Ricardo)

I have found your videos pretty easy to follow at my current 1 notch above total novice level. A couple of years ago I watched your Alzapua video, the Tangos one I could not get my head around, it took me quite some time to get that timing in my head. The thing is, you made me want to, so I did.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 22 2023 21:59:39