Contemporary Garrotin

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machopicasso

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Contemporary Garrotin

Have any prominent players over the last, say, 50 years recorded a Garrotin, in addition to Riqueni? And does anyone know who the guitarist is that accompanies Rocio Molina in "Flamenco, Flamenco"?

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orsonw

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RE: Contemporary Garrotin (in reply to machopicasso)

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And does anyone know who the guitarist is that accompanies Rocio Molina in "Flamenco, Flamenco"?

Paco Cruz and Juan Antonio Suárez (Cano)

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Ricardo

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RE: Contemporary Garrotin (in reply to machopicasso)

Cañito performed on Nueva Escuela produced by Nuñez.

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JasonM

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RE: Contemporary Garrotin (in reply to machopicasso)

Why is the dancer smoking or whatever? Seems random for an “artistic expression”

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Stu

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RE: Contemporary Garrotin (in reply to machopicasso)

I'm sure I saw a new Garrotin on YouTube recently...By a current maestro.I can't recall who it was though. I'll have a look.

I find Garrotin a bit twee. If that's a word? Something a bit cheesy or weak about it. Probably cos I don't know/hear enough of it. Just some gimmicky stuff with a hat.

And that melody...?

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Richard Jernigan

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RE: Contemporary Garrotin (in reply to machopicasso)

Not within the last fifty years, since the blurb says 1963, but here's another duet, Sabicas accompanying Sabicas. Tio Sabas also recorded a garrotin accompanying Carmen Amaya.

RNJ

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Ricardo

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RE: Contemporary Garrotin (in reply to JasonM)

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ORIGINAL: JasonM

Why is the dancer smoking or whatever? Seems random for an “artistic expression”

That’s Rocio Molina.... she does some edgy artistic stuff... like this Alegrias (warning, very artistic photo!:

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 27 2020 19:52:08

Stu

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RE: Contemporary Garrotin (in reply to machopicasso)

I can't find what I thought I was looking for.

But I found this.
I mean it's a contemporary garrotin performance I guess.

Not sure it's been 'recorded'

Ps.I forgot how to embed video. Can someone remind me?

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JasonM

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RE: Contemporary Garrotin (in reply to Ricardo)

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That’s Rocio Molina.... she does some edgy artistic stuff... like this Alegrias (warning, very artistic photo!:

Attachment (1)

wardrobe malfunction!!

She worked so hard on that six pack she had to find a way to show it in the name of art.

Stu, if you are using IOS you can’t embed. Have to copy and paste link from computer

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machopicasso

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RE: Contemporary Garrotin (in reply to Ricardo)

Did Gerardo never record a single Garrotin while accompanying a singer? I was wondering if there might be one from the period (early in his career?) when he was in the studio so much.

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machopicasso

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RE: Contemporary Garrotin (in reply to Stu)

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I find Garrotin a bit twee. If that's a word? Something a bit cheesy or weak about it.

Yeah, it's not the first palo I'd choose to play. But it's what my dance teacher is using in one of her classes, and this would be my first opportunity to accompany a singer.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 28 2020 5:55:33

mark indigo

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RE: Contemporary Garrotin (in reply to machopicasso)

Manolo Franco recorded one for his DVD series. In interview he said it was his "new album" but it doesn't have a stand alone audio release. Only 10 separate DVD/CD releases with slow versions etc.

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=93489&appid=&p=&mpage=1&key=&tmode=&smode=&s=#93489

https://www.storemusic-live.eu/Articulo~x~Flamenco-guitar-vol-8-garrotin-dvd-cd-manolo-franco~IDArticulo~787.html

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Stu

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RE: Contemporary Garrotin (in reply to machopicasso)

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Yeah, it's not the first palo I'd choose to play. But it's what my dance teacher is using in one of her classes, and this would be my first opportunity to accompany a singer.

Yes forgive me. That's great. I didn't mean to sound rude or derogatory.

I think I'm not that excited by it because of exactly what you've found out. They are all old versions. I think a decent contemporary garrotin would pique my interest! 😀

Thanks Jason, I am not on ios. I am using my phone however, but on android. I imagine the video issues are the same?'

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mark indigo

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RE: Contemporary Garrotin (in reply to Stu)

I could post some audio clips of the Manolo Franco one (solo guitar and/or cante accompaniment), how much us allowed under fair use?

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machopicasso

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RE: Contemporary Garrotin (in reply to mark indigo)

I'd definitely be interested in hearing clips; preferably of the solo guitar, unless the cante accompaniment is noteworthy.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 29 2020 5:53:52

Ricardo

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RE: Contemporary Garrotin (in reply to machopicasso)

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ORIGINAL: machopicasso

quote:

I find Garrotin a bit twee. If that's a word? Something a bit cheesy or weak about it.

Yeah, it's not the first palo I'd choose to play. But it's what my dance teacher is using in one of her classes, and this would be my first opportunity to accompany a singer.

In that case copy this, it’s pretty standard with some “modern falsetas” sprinkled in.

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machopicasso

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RE: Contemporary Garrotin (in reply to Ricardo)

Cool. Thanks!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 30 2020 5:51:21

mark indigo

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RE: Contemporary Garrotin (in reply to machopicasso)

Manolo Franco solo is in drop D, will post a couple of clips in audio/video uploads section and paste link here.

The cante is accompanied in G standard tuning. Couple of short falsetas, one at the start and one in the middle between verses. Sounds like Arcangel singing, but I haven't checked (you don't see the singer on the video).

link to audio clips:
http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=327849&p=1&tmode=1&smode=1

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mark indigo

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RE: Contemporary Garrotin (in reply to Stu)

Daniel Casares playing Garrotin video that Stu posted up above (here embedded)

He has recorded it, under the title "Plaza de la Merced" on his album "Picassares"

To embed, just remember to check the "Embed picture in post" box

Another one - same "piece" but here close up (is he busking?!)

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Stu

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RE: Contemporary Garrotin (in reply to mark indigo)

Good work Mark! 😀

Apparently that embedding only works via desktop browser. I never got round to playing up the pc to try. Thing seems pretty obsolete these days really. Just collecting dust.

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Ricardo

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RE: Contemporary Garrotin (in reply to Stu)

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ORIGINAL: Stu

I can't find what I thought I was looking for.

But I found this.
I mean it's a contemporary garrotin performance I guess.

http://youtu.be/DmFGUvQBAAk

Not sure it's been 'recorded'

Ps.I forgot how to embed video. Can someone remind me?

You have to alter the link above By hand like this:

http:// youtube(dot)com/watch?v=/those funny digits You have in your link here.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 31 2020 18:08:02

Stu

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RE: Contemporary Garrotin (in reply to Ricardo)

Nice. it worked!

Thanks Ricardo

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12850bd

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RE: Contemporary Garrotin (in reply to machopicasso)

Santiago does some nice Garrotin with an amazing picado using m and a ....faster than most humans can do with mi .
https://twitter.com/laraguitarra/status/1125656533990236160

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machopicasso

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RE: Contemporary Garrotin (in reply to 12850bd)

Though Santiago's playing is obviously more impressive, that clip reminds me a little of this one I ran across from Argentina:

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Stu

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RE: Contemporary Garrotin (in reply to 12850bd)

Ah! This is the one id seen and couldn't remember! Thanks!

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ORIGINAL: 12850bd

Santiago does some nice Garrotin with an amazing picado using m and a ....faster than most humans can do with mi .
https://twitter.com/laraguitarra/status/1125656533990236160

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