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Gecko

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Which Basic Forms (palos) To Learn? 
It's time to let my naivety' shine through again.

A couple of experience people here have stated in several threads that it is important to be able to play the "basic forms" well, a statement I would certainly agree with.

So the question is what do you considerer the basic forms? Is there any particular order that you would recommend that they be learned in?

So far I have been exposed to Soleares and Tangos only. A Tientos will be coming up shortly.
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Thomas Whiteley

 

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RE: Which Basic Forms (palos) To Learn? (in reply to Gecko) 
quote:

So the question is what do you considerer the basic forms?


If you have a copy of my “Different ways to look at Flamenco Palos”, available from my web site, you will see a family grouping. Within that grouping I would attempt to play one palo from each group.

1. Soleares (Soleá)
Soleares

2. Cantiñas, Soleá
Alegrias

3. Fandangos
Verdiales (Fandangos de Malaga)

4. Tangos
Tangos

5. Unknown, mixture or folk
Tanguillo

You can add to each group as you please. If I were to set an order of what I would recommend learning it would be: 5, 3, 4, 1, and 2. This order acts as a progression and is meant to help the student learn material and obtain experience. Be sure that you play within your level.

By the way I began with Tanguillo and Fandango when I was first learning. The Tanguillo is in 2/4 time with a 6/8 lilt. It teaches you something about flamenco rhythm – it sure is not like the typical rhythm we are accustomed to in popular music. You also gain experience using rasgueados.

The Fandango also has a very interesting feeling. From there I suggest you follow what you like.

There is controversy about what to learn and in what order. One fellow disagreed with me that Bulerias should not be the first palo you learn. So be it.

I like to encourage students and let them enjoy what they are learning. By the way I am truly a believer in practicing technique before you start playing any flamenco palo. In fact the first nine weeks I had with my first teacher that is all we did and I am thankful for it!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 18 2006 17:00:13
 
Gecko

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RE: Which Basic Forms (palos) To Learn? (in reply to Thomas Whiteley) 
quote:

ORIGINAL: Thomas Whiteley

By the way I am truly a believer in practicing technique before you start playing any flamenco palo. In fact the first nine weeks I had with my first teacher that is all we did and I am thankful for it!


Thanks Tom. That's mostly what I have been doing (technique) for the past couple of months. Just now starting to introduce myself into some simple palos.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 18 2006 17:49:26
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RE: Which Basic Forms (palos) To Learn? (in reply to Gecko) 
In general I agree with what Thomas wrote, but I would change the Verdiales (under fandangos) with a palo libre (no rythm) I would suggest Taranta or Granaina. I know you have some classical background and I´m sure you will appreciate playing these palos.

I will also suggest Farruca instead of Tanguillos. The compás is easyer and it sounds very nice (A minor is a lovely chord)

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 18 2006 19:17:46
 
Ron.M

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RE: Which Basic Forms (palos) To Learn? (in reply to Gecko) 
Diego del Morao (the son of Moraito) said that everybody in Jerez begins lessons with Tangos and accompaniment with Fandangos (libre).

cheers

Ron
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 18 2006 20:09:28
 
Doitsujin

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RE: Which Basic Forms (palos) To Learn? (in reply to Gecko) 
Just learn all palos.
The most important is, that you play very very much for dance. Without this practice you would never become a grooving compas.
Start with whatever the dancclass does at the moment. The most important thing is to play much much much compas. The other things come beside this a little later.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 18 2006 21:11:55
 
duende

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RE: Which Basic Forms (palos) To Learn? (in reply to Doitsujin) 
could anybody give me a dance class closer than 50 (swedish)miles

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 18 2006 22:29:18
 
Francisco

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RE: Which Basic Forms (palos) To Learn? (in reply to Gecko) 
Wha? no Rumba? To each his own!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 19 2006 3:16:18
 
Gecko

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RE: Which Basic Forms (palos) To Learn? (in reply to duende) 
Yeah! Same sort of thing here, but 241 Km (150 miles). There are two dance schools in town. Neither of them teach flamenco. Lot of ballroom though. Anyone know the compas for a Foxtrot??

  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 19 2006 10:31:42
 
Doitsujin

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RE: Which Basic Forms (palos) To Learn? (in reply to Gecko) 
This is bad. But today there are many videos of dance with guitar. Its better to play in a real danceclass coz you allaways have to find your own ideas on the dance-moves. And thats the way to get a good compas feeling. But I know duendes playing and his compas is cool, too. And he played not for dance. So..there is a way. But I think its harder to go this way.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 19 2006 13:11:21
 
Ricardo

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RE: Which Basic Forms (palos) To Learn? (in reply to Gecko) 
Soleares, bulerias. Bulerias makes the flamenco world go round, in terms of rhythm. Tangos is second, only to bulerias. Bulerias+ Tangos=hours of flamenco partying. But understanding Soleares will help you understand MANY other forms that have the same compas structure. Keep in mind I am refering to just compas and a few simple falsetas.

The first complete "pieces" you should learn are Sevillanas and maybe rumba (so people can actually dance to what little music you know). These forms are not the most "flamenco" , but all flamenco artists know them. And they can be short and easy, you can feel like you are really doing it.

You can be learning many different forms simultaneously. But if you get serious about flamenco, you will find yourself playing more bulerias than anything else, in terms of time put in.

Ricardo
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