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solea1
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RE: List of "Rito y Geografía&... (in reply to Arash)
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Thanks, Tommyberre -- I've corrected that url mistake (and added a few more programs: Rafael Romero, Luís Caballero, Diego Clavel. I'll try to get the last eight (?) shows up on YouTube somehow, someday -- I don't know the process, will have to consult with a third grader if I can afford her hourly fee. The absent programs would be: Solea 2 -- Terrific, almost as good as Solea 1. I think this one has singers Santiago Donday and the blind María la Sabina, plus the terrific El Borrico with guitarist Manuel Morao. Festival del Cante -- Neat -- A remarkable solo bulerías by Diego del Gastor at the Morón Gazpacho -- at the end he sort of shares credit with his guitar, gets up very quickly and leaves the stage, showing his genuine diffidence (at best) about being in a high-visibilty setting. José Menese sings to Diego's accompaniment. (Menese's taking a lot of heat these days for his take-no-prisoners defense of traditional Gypsy song, which is out of fashion It used to be called pure; now it is called "pure", in a tone of condescending irony. No, it's not mere chauvinism -- Menese is not a gitano. Powerful? Well, if we couldn't afford to pay the 100-peseta admission to a festival, we'd hang around outside the gates waiting to accost the artists afterward. From outside, we could rarely hear anything -- until Menese let loose.) Antonio Mairena is accompanied by Pedro Peña and Paco del Gastor (Diego evidently refused to play for him). (There may be two different programs titled "Festival del Flamenco".) Los Flamencólogos -- Gab, gab -- shows why real artists ridicule us self-styled experts. (The superb guitarist Emilio Prados, who thought Agujetas was a bad singer and had heard about an article where I insisted he was the Second Coming, announced my arrival in a New York dive with, "Ah, here is our friend the flamencúlogo." [In Spain, your culo is what you sit on.]) Manuel Cano's formal guitar playing interrupts the punditry. Encarnación La Sallago -- A wonderful singer and wonderful woman. (She cooks for me when I visit her in Sanlúcar de Barrameda.) Two years ago, at the Sala Compañía underneath our apartment in Jerez, she tore the place up with powerful singing and great stories. Did I mention she was 93? (Check out her translated interview in my blog. She laments the death of a brother in the 1918 Spanish flu epidemic that swept the world -- and didn't start in Spain -- with still-fresh grief.) Maria La Marrurra -- Moreen Silver, a Jacksonville, Florida woman whose command of flamenco singing is downright uncanny, made an LP with the glorious guitarist Melchor de Marchena, who was a fan of hers as was the great singer Antonio Mairena. With her husband, the late guitarist Chris Carnes, she made recordings that are the best audio documents of great Gypsy song done between the mid-sixties and mid-seventies. She has had some difficulties lately, and friends are working to make things easier for her. (She did a guest gig on a 2011 Spanish TV show that's on YouTube, lookin' good and soundin' fine.) Pericón de Cádiz -- A great master of a glorious local tradition. One of the best moments in the TV series is when he starts singing, the phone rings (I'm told it's his daughter on the line), he picks it up and tries to explain that he's being filmed. "Yes. they are making a film. No, I can't talk right now. A film. Yes. So I can't talk. Because of the film" And on and on. Cinema verité de verdad... Las Torre -- I think this episode focuses on two daughters of Manuel Torre, the maximum exponent of deep Gypsy song. But if it's Los Torre, it would be the family guys. Anthropologically interesting, perhaps. Antonio de Canillas -- Malaga area singer, a non-Gypsy born in 1929 who was still singing the lovely songs of his home territory nearly eighty years later. There may be a 100th episode that celebrated and concluded the series by looking back at highlights. It may have been titled "Rito y Geografía del Flamenco". It might be in my collection as simply "Cante Flamenco" -- I'll try to figure it out.
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Date May 13 2014 7:14:14
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Ricardo
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RE: List of "Rito y Geografía&... (in reply to solea1)
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Planning a viewing party with some aficionado friends and decided to make a study guide for the series. I have always felt like the randomness of Rito y Geografia subject matter, (unlike a lot of anthologies of cante that are organized by some logical grouping of forms), does a disservice to the educational aspects of the series. If you want to learn some more big scope concepts it’s a daunting task to just tackle viewing the series as whole. So I have organized some of the programs so that a logical relationship can be made between two seemingly unrelated programs, so any new comers might find value in watching programs in a specific order. Most of the episodes are available on line, however I am basing this guide mainly on the incomplete DVD release that this thread describes. The DVD’s are organized by Roman Numerals such that each Roman numeral refers to a single DVD containing 4 programs, so for anybody with the full 18 DVD set can refer both to the title of the programs and the Roman Numerals in parentheses. For folks just using the internet you can just go by the program titles. The guide I came up with uses two main viewing routes. The first is by FORMS. The second is by specific Artists, VIA the accompanying guitarists. The reason for that is there are only a few accompanist tocaores compared to singers, so you have situations were the style of accompaniment affects the singers performance to the point it is interesting to compare and contrast two singers that used the same guitarist. Two singers have more than one full program dedicated to them, Caracol and Mairena, offering another eduactional compare/contrast option that being the same singer with a DIFFERENT guitarist (in the case of Mairena with Morao and Melchor). Of course not every single program I was able to fit into a logical frame of “watch first this, then this...”, so I include some extra programs as points of interest. Each episode of course stands alone as a complete entertaining piece, but when sharing with students and aficionados I think we can get more out of some organization. I will put the two guide routes as two separate posts below.
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Date Feb. 11 2019 22:52:41
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Ricardo
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RE: List of "Rito y Geografía&... (in reply to Ricardo)
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Extra Random Programs of interest: 1. Paco de Lucia (VIII)....shame he only accompanies his brother in the entire series, this one buleria. 2. Pepe Martinez (II)....great interview and playing, the closer connection to R. Montoya in the series. 3. Los Niño Cantaores (II)....just because it is on the same DVD and it’s so inspiring to see the prodigies and baby artists that became famous. 4a. Cante Gitano (XVIII)....great performances, however, not too keen on the idea of gypsy interpretation vs payos. To compare, there is an episode on youtube “cante gitano interprete por no gitano”, I don’t think it is totally fair to make comparisons based on race alone. Anyway Platero kills them all IMO. 4b. Cante Flamenco interprete no gitano (rtve.es site). 4c. Manuel Torre y Antonio Chacon (rtve.es site). The quintessential gitano vs payos argument. Also a good supplement to Viejos Cantaores. Saddly Chacon is not fairly represented, I would refer to morente and Platero interpretations next to chocolates versions of Torre. Still it’s a fun episode. 5. Cristobalina Suarez (IV)...sort of like the female equivalent of program on Platero, the point being there are some great artists that are not really known or talked about . Same DVD as previous program. Pinini family is also related, though she would be related by marriage. She is part of an important triad of female singers from Sanlucar with Maria Vargas and Sallago. These ladies show an important stylistic fusion of Jerez and Cadiz IMO. 6. El vino y el Flamenco (VI)...Simply two of my favorite subjects. Unique performance of Pansequito with Moraito’s dad makes this a special one. But basically it’s just a fun episode along with the other Juerga themed episodes. 7. Cantaora (XV)....most of the singers featured are men, a lot of gypsy female artists are married and not permitted to sing in public, so they make a big deal about it. Can do without this type of generaliztion and distinction and rather focus on specific artists. 8. Navidad (XI)....could be an extension of Sodera’s program but it’s not really hardcore flamenco, more about the gypsy family christmas life style. Love Sordera, and this program is educational but more as an aside to the main focus of flamenco. Youtube only: I have enjoyed programs like the “no gitano” one, Chacon vs Torre, the Cafe Cantantes, Pepe Marchena, Borrico, Pericon etc....a shame these didn’t make it to DVD. As for educational vs entertainment value, I guess they don’t necessarily add a lot extra to what we have on DVD. EDIT: 14 available episodes, will make a separate guide for them. Bad singers: I understood the Need for “La familia de los Torre” (VII) as the topic of Manuel Torre and influence is huge. But good grief they are so out of tune...even the son admitting he is “tone deaf”, it’s just painful to watch. It’s worth it for the interviews but I have to fast forword the cante on this one. La Perrata is also pretty bad....but it fit in with the Pedro Pena and family theme so I let it slide. It is hard to believe how Lebrijano got so darn good learning mainly from that source. But the whole family vibe is really sweet despite how hard it is to listen to her singing. And last, the brother of Beni de Cadiz, nice guy and great aficionado but holy heck why did they do a program on him as a singer??? Amos Rodriguez Rey (X) it’s ok to skip that one IMO. So that’s it, hope some folks find this helpful. Ricardo
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Date Feb. 12 2019 3:11:57
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kitarist
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RE: List of "Rito y Geografía&... (in reply to Ricardo)
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On this site, which is supposedly selling (or was) 26 Rito DVDs, when you look at the list of what is on each DVD, I see three (oops - ONE) programs that I have not seen mentioned anywhere. I thought I'd bring them up if you or someone can recognize them as an alias of a known program: Por Seguiriyas (disk 3) Joselero de Moron (disk 18) (oops Ricardo lists it now as "found it") Pericon de Cadiz (disk 23) (oops Ricardo you list this one as "seen on you tube") Also if you look at the first DVD - "Rito y Geografía del Cante Flamenco" - I'd say it is highly likely this is just the intro describing the whole set with highlights, rather than an original program not found anywhere else in the DVDs. On disk 11 you see "Romances - Tangos y Tientos - ..." - so either there are two additional programs - one Romances (but in disk 2 is already cantes primitivos which is about that) and one Tangos y Tientos, different from "Romances, tangos y Tientos", or it is just a small typo made some time ago that created the myth of a separate tango y tientos program. On the balance of probabilities, it seems to me that "Romances - Tangos y Tientos" is the same as "Romances, Tangos y Tientos" as one program. Another argument for this - on the same disk 11 is "Fernanda y Bernarda de Utrera" which to me is a title contraction for two programs - "Bernarda de Utrera" and "Fernanda de Utrera". If so, and if "Romances" were separate from "Tango..", that would have made for FIVE 30-min programs on that DVD, whereas any other one has up to four at most, and some have just two programs. As to whether all these are DVD quality - I have to say it is confusing to see the picture of the "26 DVDs" be VHS tapes, as well as being able to choose between PAL and NTSC. But if they are DVD quality, then there are a number of other programs which Ricardo said were only on youtube (i.e. not restored/DVD quality?): Los Cabales and Diffusion del flamenco (both on disk 5) El Borrico (disk 10) Rafael Romero (disk 18) Perricon de Cadiz (disk 23) Joselero de Moron (disk 18)
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Date Feb. 13 2019 17:52:24
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Ricardo
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RE: List of "Rito y Geografía&... (in reply to kitarist)
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Ok, a long time ago (late 1990’s) when I was first getting into flamenco guitar, there were vhs bootlegs of some programs floating around. Copied a zillion times they were horrible quality, distorted audio, but what a treasure. At some point someone with the above linked collection of vhs bootleg “masters” (2nd generation or worse) compiled em and sold em as Cante, Baile and a short Toque series. They were mixtures of the legit Rito series (only about cante except for the famous few guitarists features, paco, Diego, Melchor, Pepe Martinez and the two guitarra programs), and other random TVE programs that feature flamenco artists. Some were black and white, others were color. ALL of them were bootleg quality transfers to tape. As we can see they did NOT have all the rito programs, and I agree there are mistakes with labeling the programs. I do like that they attempted to organize programs by some theme. After the vhs versions were released the DVD market exploded and they hastily transferred from analog to computer by playing them from some random VCR. The DVDs of the complete collection are so bad that some have tracking lines from the VCR playback that they didn’t bother to correct as the program played into the computer. AT the time I was only into guitar so I only purchased the DVD versions of the Toque set (4 DVDs). My VCR played better quality the VHS versions (I had like 3 players cuz I was so into bootlegging back then, one was good for vid, one for audio, and one was built in to the TV set), but I really enjoyed the ability to jump to different chapters. Again who ever did the transfer didn’t bother to program chapter jumps to actual performances, they are just timing jumps randomly distributed. I consider the entire affair higher than average bootlegging. My discovery of the Cante series being re mastered to DVD was very exciting, as it came at a time I was deeply into studying the cante. There simply is no comparison in quality....they literally went into the master tape and filled in all the dirt and lines and hairs that flash across the screen, killed the haze, brightened it up and made it sparkly and razor sharp with enhanced distortion free audio, subtitles, booklet, etc etc. The 72 available on 18 DVDs are pure gold, and the 7 that never made it to disc are just as good it appears. As for the 14 programs in lower quality on youtube, some might be from the above linked bootleg transfers, but several others are pretty good quality like somebody grabbed a re-run on their home machine at some point. So there quality varies. To get to the bottom of the mystery missing programs, of course, it is worth having a look at the off titled shows just to be sure. I will ask some of my friends that might have that old bootleg set when I see them.
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Date Feb. 13 2019 21:45:41
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kitarist
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RE: List of "Rito y Geografía&... (in reply to Ricardo)
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo As far as the remaining episodes available on youtube (14 episodes), I will need some time to go through them and see what ways to incorporate them into their own study guide, or if they can fit in to what I have already. At this time the mysterious missing episodes are: 1. flamencologos 2. Sabicas 3. Sallago 4. Fernanda y bernarda 5. Tangos y Tientos 6. Villancicos 7. Tras de dos años 8. Rito y Geografia del cante Let me know if any of those 8 pop up on line. Also brook zern mentions above “Antonio de canillas”, but as a title this never came up in the 99 master lists nor search engines, unless he was confused about one of the Malagueñas episodes, of which he was the prominent featured artist. I looked at a couple of sources (and found a wiki entry for the series), and also discovered that in 2017 someone did a dissertation (!) on these series - with lots of analysis and statistics. There is a separate Annexes document (pdf) with a complete list of the original episodes as well as how they appear in various other versions and repackaging (including DVD). Look here - access to two pdf files - first is the Annexes; second is the Dissertation itself, by Rocío Tejedor Benítez: https://idus.us.es/xmlui/handle/11441/71154 I was also able to confirm all the weeks when there was no broadcast; as you can imagine, the dissertation went over minute detail, including when there was an interruption in the weekly schedule. As a summary, the series started on Oct 23, 1971 and ended on Oct 29, 1973. That's 106 weeks; however there were 6 confirmed weeks with no broadcast, so there were exactly 100 episodes shown. Of these, only the last one - Tras dos años - was a "double episode" - meaning it was 60 minutes long, whereas all the others were roughly 30min long. Of your list above, Los flamencólogos (15/10/1973), Sabicas (14/08/1972), Encarnación “La Sallago” (09/04/1973), Antonio de Canillas (19/02/1973), and Tras dos años (29/10/1973) seem to have existed for sure and were broadcast, as referenced in multiple sources. However, none of these were available as of the 2017 searches (and table) that Benitez provides (his Table 61 in Annex 3). So this would explain why they are so elusive. Another two which Benitez could not find anywhere (including youtube) are Por Solea and La Saeta II, but now we know they are in the RTVE.es archive (which he was aware of, so maybe these two videos are newly available; or Benitez made a mistake). Given that all the 100 weeks with broadcasts are filled with titles on the list, it appears that the following three possible titles do not exist as given: Fernanda y bernarda must be the two separate programs (one for each); Tangos y Tientos is just a reference to the Romances, tangos y tientos; Villancicos does not appear mentioned in these sources. Lastly, "Rito y Geografia del cante" is likely coming from the name of that introductory VHS/DVD repackaging that I mentioned earlier, the one with 26 disks, of which this is the name of the first one. Also, Benitez notes that the DVD version of 'Las Tonas' is actually comprised of parts of two episodes as aired - Tonas (I) and Tonas (II). Here's the list by date of broadcast, followed by the list arranged alphabetically:
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