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RE: Vuelta a flamenco
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BarkellWH
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 RE: Vuelta a flamenco (in reply to Richard Jernigan)
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While I very much appreciate and enjoy cante as the origin and heart of flamenco, I, too, am a guitar freak with no need to apologize. There have been plenty of threads and comments dealing with cante on the Foro, just as there have been many threads and comments dealing with lutherie and guitars.
There is no tension between discussing both cante and guitars on the Foro. They are not mutually exclusive. In fact, I would suggest that they complement each other, as the guitar accompanies cante.
If a Foro member thinks that the Foro and its other members do not meet his exacting standards and decides to withdraw, he should be able to do so. It is probably best for him and for the Foro that the rest of us not be subject to a condescending attitude about not being "flamenco" enough. We should wish him well.
Bill
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Date Jul. 1 2018 23:17:01
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BarkellWH
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RE: Vuelta a flamenco (in reply to BarkellWH)
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It seems that the main complaint about the Foro being too guitar-centric is the dearth of threads and comments concerning cante. Perhaps there are fewer such threads and comments now, but I typed in the one word "cante" in the search function and got dozens of past threads that pertain to cante: cantaores, various artists, guitar acommpaniment of various palos, etc.
I suggest that those who long for more discussions on cante go back to previous threads, find something that is interesting that you would like further discussion on, and bring it up on the Foro. For one thing, the reason we keep a history of past threads and comments is for members to search for something they may not encounter in current threads. For another, threads and comments from the past may contain nuggets that can be built upon for further discussion today.
That those who would like to see more cante discussed represent a "minority" on the Foro is irrelevant. We have an entire category called "Lutherie" that probably appeals to a minority, yet it does not prevent interesting discussions. Again, as I have stated previously, there is nothing to prevent bringing up cante. I don't understand what the problem is. I'm sure there are members who would join in such a discussion. It just takes someone who wants to see more of it to take the lead.
Bill
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And the end of the fight is a tombstone white,
With the name of the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
Who tried to hustle the East."
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Date Jul. 2 2018 21:10:24
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Ricardo
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RE: Vuelta a flamenco (in reply to BarkellWH)
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Again, as I have stated previously, there is nothing to prevent bringing up cante. I don't understand what the problem is.
There is no real “problem” here. Sean O’brian AKA “Morante” has been on and off this forum and other chat lists for decades and has never really changed his stance on these issues. He has quit the forum for reasons in the past such as arguments “pro guitarrista” or anti-bull fight, etc etc...and I for one always love to hear him pipping in with his hardline puro view points, it almost always gives me an out loud laugh and an “ole!” For those comments.
The reason for his hardline attitude stems from the loss of his friend and mentor some years ago, José Milla´n, an encyclopedic amature cantaor who not only represented text book Cadiz styles, he also delivered excellent version of heavy-weight difficult cantes such as Caracoles, Fandango de Gloria, Malagueña del Mellizo, as demonstrated on the excellent CD produced by Sean himself. I always return to my personal copy of the CD for inspiration.
Jose Millan’s death caused Sean to put his guitar into it’s case indefinitely, and perhaps fueled that resentment toward the modern style singers and guitar nerds, leaving him with taste for only certain singers and if it must be “guitar music” than other styles such as blues, rock etc....the solo flamenco guitar thing comes as almost an insult to those great cantaores now gone or overlooked if still alive. Adding insult to injury, the lack of aficion for flamenco aesthetics such as food, speech, bullfight appreciation, etc etc, on discussion boards such as we have had here, it’s no surprise that he is in constant back and forth “love/hate” about contributing here. It’s totally understandable to me and I for one look forward to his either vocal frustrations, or his sudden return out of the blue with more excellent cante examples shoved down our throats...it’s all good, I totally love the guy!!!!
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Date Jul. 2 2018 21:36:47
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henrym3483
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RE: Vuelta a flamenco (in reply to Ricardo)
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There is no real “problem” here. Sean O’brian AKA “Morante” has been on and off this forum and other chat lists for decades and has never really changed his stance on these issues. He has quit the forum for reasons in the past such as arguments “pro guitarrista” or anti-bull fight, etc etc...and I for one always love to hear him pipping in with his hardline puro view points, it almost always gives me an out loud laugh and an “ole!” For those comments.
The reason for his hardline attitude stems from the loss of his friend and mentor some years ago, José Milla´n, an encyclopedic amature cantaor who not only represented text book Cadiz styles, he also delivered excellent version of heavy-weight difficult cantes such as Caracoles, Fandango de Gloria, Malagueña del Mellizo, as demonstrated on the excellent CD produced by Sean himself. I always return to my personal copy of the CD for inspiration.
Jose Millan’s death caused Sean to put his guitar into it’s case indefinitely, and perhaps fueled that resentment toward the modern style singers and guitar nerds, leaving him with taste for only certain singers and if it must be “guitar music” than other styles such as blues, rock etc....the solo flamenco guitar thing comes as almost an insult to those great cantaores now gone or overlooked if still alive. Adding insult to injury, the lack of aficion for flamenco aesthetics such as food, speech, bullfight appreciation, etc etc, on discussion boards such as we have had here, it’s no surprise that he is in constant back and forth “love/hate” about contributing here. It’s totally understandable to me and I for one look forward to his either vocal frustrations, or his sudden return out of the blue with more excellent cante examples shoved down our throats...it’s all good, I totally love the guy!!!!
In agreement, i love listening to guys who were around previously and had exposure to an older generation of players, singers etc.
Having chats and banter with the likes of David Serva, were eye openers and often made some of the luminaries we hold in such high regard as mere mortals with their own issues, rather than lofty guitar gods or figuras etc.
I think with the foro, we are at a turning point. i like some modern stuff, but i deeply appreciate the heritage...i think this place as ron (god rest him) said should be like the local bar, pub, a place where you go for a bit of banter, a laugh and maybe pick up a few pointers on life from the auld fella in the corner.
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