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Morante

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Semana Santa

At last Semana Santa comes to an end: we have spent the week avoiding processions. They were interesting 20 years ago, but now just an inconvenience. However Domingo de Resurreccion is a celebration, with the most important corrida in Sevilla, a social event where everybody who is anybody has to be present. We cannot be there as it is all sold out, but we can see it on Canal Toros.

The previo was very interesting as it included a long interview with Paco Cepero, about his friend Curro Romero. Paco talked at length about toros and flamenco and played one of his compositions dedicated to Curro (on his Jerónimo Perez: I Imagine that his Faustino is worn out

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I suppose if I were to name my favourite tocaores, they would be Melchor por soleá, Cepero por bulerías and probably Moraito por seguiriyas.

¡Viva Andalucía!

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Piwin

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RE: Semana Santa (in reply to Morante)

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we have spent the week avoiding processions

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The one time I spent part of Semana Santa in Sevilla, I kept on imagining what it must look like seen from above. Pretty sure it looked like a life-size game of Pacman with innocent by-standers trying to get from point A to point B and processions in hot pursuit.

Can't help but hear that music in my head when I see a procession now:

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 2 2018 9:14:20

Morante

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RE: Semana Santa (in reply to Piwin)

A bit more like this

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Piwin

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RE: Semana Santa (in reply to Morante)

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 2 2018 13:51:33

El Burdo

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RE: Semana Santa (in reply to Morante)

I hesitate to use the word 'stunning' but...stunning. Atheism (which I cleave to absolutely) doesn't seem to have the emotional language to equal this religious stuff and I regret that. But, I've watched this several times so far and haven't made it to the end without tears.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 2 2018 21:40:38

Leñador

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RE: Semana Santa (in reply to Morante)

Agreed, I'm a pretty staunch atheist but I love Saeta and my favorite seguiriya is a religious one.

Is that Antonio Banderas behind Diana Navarro???

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Estevan

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From: Torontolucía

RE: Semana Santa (in reply to Leñador)

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Is that Antonio Banderas behind Diana Navarro???

Yes - he invited her:

He's a malagueño and very much involved in Semana Santa - see for example:

Antonio Banderas renueva su compromiso con la Semana Santa

If you search 'Antonio Banderas cofrade' on Yutú you'll find several things from local news. (And if you have an hour and a half to spare, look up "Pregón Semana Santa Málaga 2011 - Antonio Banderas").

And wow, she's good.

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Leñador

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RE: Semana Santa (in reply to Morante)

Oh crap it really is??? Crazy! I meant it as a joke, wow.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 3 2018 23:56:22

Morante

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RE: Semana Santa (in reply to Leñador)

Manuel Torre

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 4 2018 15:01:40

julianev

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RE: Semana Santa (in reply to Morante)

Thank you so much for posting this (the first Diana Navarro footage - felt like my heart being ripped out of my chest to watch that)

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 7 2018 22:57:54

tele

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RE: Semana Santa (in reply to Morante)

I really enjoyed the music and procession of miercoles santo in Cadiz. It's really something that seems to be a great part of the Spanish culture and it's no wonder the locals come to the processions year after year.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 8 2018 20:17:38

joselito_fletan

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RE: Semana Santa (in reply to El Burdo)

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Atheism (which I cleave to absolutely) doesn't seem to have the emotional language to equal this religious stuff and I regret that

As a young lad growing up in a small town of Cadiz. My Grandfather was an "elder brethren" of El Santo Entierro. After his death, the next easter they stopped the procession in front of his house with my grandmother on the balcony and played "La Saeta" Processional march piece. It's engraved in my soul 'till this day

The bald older gent in the center of pic is my grandfather. I believe it was taken in the early 50's

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 8 2018 20:19:00

El Burdo

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RE: Semana Santa (in reply to joselito_fletan)

Not sure why my profession of atheism is quoted here, but I would say what you describe was a generous and caring gesture from an organised group of people who happened to organise around religion. I'm sure it was very profound for your Grandmother and yourself. Maybe you can imagine the feeling if a group of POUM/Socialists were to stop their march outside a similar house and turn to the window and raise their fists in a silent revolutionary salute of support?

I can't completely sing The Red Flag, the anthem of the British Labour movement for two reasons. One, I start to tear up, and two, I don't know all the verses.

For sheer emotional intensity Diana Navarro's singing against the swaying catafalque is at the top for me.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 9 2018 9:18:29

joselito_fletan

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RE: Semana Santa (in reply to Morante)

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Not sure why my profession of atheism is quoted here

Why does it bother you???

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 9 2018 18:13:00

joselito_fletan

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RE: Semana Santa (in reply to El Burdo)

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Maybe you can imagine the feeling if a group of POUM/Socialists were to stop their march outside a similar house and turn to the window and raise their fists in a silent revolutionary salute of support?

Nope, but i will 'tell you that on the last days of the civil war in Spain, "People" which will remain unamed would go at night to my grandfathers funeral home. And ask of him to "get rid" of bodies, because if he did not he would be part of that group of dead bodies

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 9 2018 18:29:25

El Burdo

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RE: Semana Santa (in reply to joselito_fletan)

It doesn't. That's it. I am trying to say that profound feelings can exist throughout society. Revolutionary fervour is as valid as religious fervour. If you don't get that then I'm sorry.

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BarkellWH

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RE: Semana Santa (in reply to El Burdo)

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Revolutionary fervour is as valid as religious fervour.

A review of the historical record reveals that revolutionary fervour and religious fervour, more often than not, have been equally destructive forces, eating their own children and those who do not toe the party line, as well as those outsiders who bring a different viewpoint to the table. It would be prudent to avoid both and settle for rational discourse.

Bill

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Piwin

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RE: Semana Santa (in reply to BarkellWH)

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toe the party line

I've just realized I had this idiom all wrong. I thought it was "to tow the line". The imagery makes more sense now...

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joselito_fletan

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RE: Semana Santa (in reply to El Burdo)

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Revolutionary fervour is as valid as religious fervour

Touche

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joselito_fletan

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RE: Semana Santa (in reply to BarkellWH)

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A review of the historical record reveals that revolutionary fervour and religious fervour, more often than not, have been equally destructive forces, eating their own children and those who do not toe the party line, as well as those outsiders who bring a different viewpoint to the table. It would be prudent to avoid both and settle for rational discourse.

Rational discourse cannot be practiced without the tools (Grammer, Logic, Rhetoric).
Living right beside the Ontario Parliament and Queen's Park in Toronto. On a daily basis groups conglomorate peddling all kinds of views. I love to sit down and observe them. Rational discourse is the last thing that comes to my mind lately. Or maybe it has always been that way? As in spain they would say "El que no llora no mama"

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Piwin

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BarkellWH

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RE: Semana Santa (in reply to joselito_fletan)

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Rational discourse cannot be practiced without the tools (Grammer, Logic, Rhetoric). Living right beside the Ontario Parliament and Queen's Park in Toronto. On a daily basis groups conglomorate peddling all kinds of views. I love to sit down and observe them. Rational discourse is the last thing that comes to my mind lately. Or maybe it has always been that way? As in spain they would say "El que no llora no mama"

To "peddle all kinds of views" is welcome in the marketplace of ideas. The problem begins when mobs are incited by "revolutionary fervour" or "religious fervour" and become a dangerous element in society. Fascism, Communism, the Inquisition, and any number of other movements have proven destructive to society. Today, in the United States, Europe, Turkey, and other parts of the globe, we see the rise of an irrational form of "populism" that borders on Fascism. These are all the result of irrational impulses. They are not the same as listening to various groups discuss different ideas as if they were in an academic marketplace. The human potential for realizing the irrational has been destructive throughout history.

Bill

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And the end of the fight is a tombstone white,
With the name of the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
Who tried to hustle the East."

--Rudyard Kipling

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joselito_fletan

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RE: Semana Santa (in reply to BarkellWH)

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They are not the same as listening to various groups discuss different ideas as if they were in an academic marketplace

interesting, please excuse my ignorance but it seems that many of these populist uprisings are being engendered from within the academic establishment? Evergreen State vs Bret Weinstein , U of Toronto vs Jordan Peterson, many others examples. That's just looking at one side of the spectrum.

Maybe I misunderstood your use of "as if they" meaning that, them (whatever arbitrary ideolgy inserted here) are not praticing the same discourse as the academic marketplace?

I reiterate please excuse my ignorance, I am an uneducated man. And the older I get the more I realize I know nothing.

I apolagize to Morante again!!! for hijacking his thread. I am sorry

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 9 2018 21:02:33

Morante

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RE: Semana Santa (in reply to joselito_fletan)

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I apolagize to Morante again!!! for hijacking his thread. I am sorry

Don´t be sorry! This a normal process here. Threads do not get hijacked, they undergo a gradual metamorphosis from statement through to philosophy, until they bear no resemblance to the original. Almost worthy of a Phd thesis

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 10 2018 16:11:01

joselito_fletan

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RE: Semana Santa (in reply to Morante)

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Don´t be sorry! This a normal process here. Threads do not get hijacked, they undergo a gradual metamorphosis from statement through to philosophy, until they bear no resemblance to the original. Almost worthy of a Phd thesis

Thanks for understanding, I am new to socializing on the interwebs.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 10 2018 23:32:40