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RE: 2s in bulerias examples
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zata
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RE: 2s in bulerias examples (in reply to Guest)
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quote: Yes, this is 'al golpe' mentioned earlier in posts. PdL used this a lot on earlier videos when you hear his foot tap away. Exactly, my point. This (12) - 1 - 2 - (3) - 4 - 5 that Paco pats his foot to highlights the threes and sixes in the compas. First of all, we must be careful with the term "bulerías al golpe" which is the cante form "soleá por bulería". Only around Sevilla is the term sometimes (rarely) understood to refer to this old-style bulería compás which Paco still pats with his foot, no matter how modern his falsetas become...and there's no conflict of course. In this format, beats 6 (12) and 3 (9) are never accented, which is why the old desplantes (which Mariquita may still do) began on 6 (12), because it marked a radical and unmistakable change. As the longer phrase became popular and beat twelve dethroned beat one, desplantes were shifted to begin on beat one, again, to mark a clear difference. This is not speculation, the shift took place in my lifetime and I watched dance teachers trying to explain the "new" desplantes to confused students. Estela 'Zata'
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Date Jul. 9 2004 13:06:36
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HolyEvil
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RE: 2s in bulerias examples (in reply to Ron.M)
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sorry to bring up a super old thread.. but this is really really interesting reading. I brought it up for all the newer (aka me) foro users to read. Ron do you still encourage us to tap bulerias to this? cheers quote:
ORIGINAL: Ron.M Nope, Jim and Andy, That's not what I'm meaning... I mean just tapping your foot on beats 2,4,6,8,10 and 12. Regardless if the compás is accenting 3 or 7 or anything else. eg..when I hit the heavily accented 3 in Bulerias chording compás, my foot is up, not down. So thinking of it as two pairs, (which is useful), it goes. 2,4,6 8,10,12 ie six equally spaced beats covering the whole 12 beat cycle. I don't know how to explain it any other way! Just tapping on the "even" beats. Nothing more exotic than that! cheers Ron
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Date Oct. 26 2010 1:54:33
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Ron.M
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RE: 2s in bulerias examples (in reply to HolyEvil)
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Ron do you still encourage us to tap bulerias to this? Well, I'm by no means an expert, HolyEvil...just a student myself, but I still find it the easiest way to keep a constant flow going. Also, you see the professional guitarists do it on YouTube from time to time...so if it's good enough for them... The only difference with me now is that while my foot is going 2,4,6 etc..I can also "hear" the 1,2 * 4,5 "takataka" beat going inside my head. The 12, 3, 6, 8, 10 is sometimes good for working out falsetas in advance, but I find it very unreliable for generally keeping time. cheers, Ron
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Date Oct. 26 2010 8:38:31
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