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RE: Black Dildos.....Must SEE!!!!!!! (in reply to Ricardo)
This is a great find! Platero de Alcalá (1913-1985) - his voice has a lyrical quality, common in his time but not so much in recent times.
You can make some comparisons easily because you will find Fandangos del Gloria in the repertoire of many singers.
Firstly the original I think from Niño Gloria - Rafael Ramos Antúnez (1893-1954)
Mauel Soto “Sordero” (1927-2001)
Antonio Molina (1928 – 1992) I just had to include this (not Gloria) because his voice is at the extreme end of the lyrical style – beyond even Valderrama!
Beni de Cadiz (1929 –1992)
Naranjito de Triana (1933-2002)
Then, what I would regard as the worst by Jose Merce.
La Paquera - you wouldn’t expect it to suit her style but it works for me
Guillermo Cano (1973 - ) captures something of the original.
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RE: Black Dildos.....Must SEE!!!!!!! (in reply to Morante)
Yes Angel is amazing...could never find a single thing recorded only the Rito stuff.
About the Fandango de Gloria....all the examples given above are NOT the same one as Platero was doing, they are the por medio melody. Platero does the por Arriba melody which is more ornate. Well, two guys did the correct one that as Naranjito and Guillermo Cano. Naranjito's version is free style, very intense, but he takes a breath at the end. Platero and Guillermo do the last two lines in one breath, and in compas, that is the impressive part. IMO Platero just has something extra going on. Here is the correct form from the originator:
RE: Black Dildos.....Must SEE!!!!!!! (in reply to Ricardo)
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Platero does the por Arriba melody which is more ornate.
You are right of course.
I hadn't heard of Platero. I found that he was not entirely unknown in his time as he made it to the final of the 3rd Llave de Oro del Cante in Cordoba.
Premios del III Concurso: Se establece conceder, en esta edición del Concurso Nacional, la LLAVE DE ORO DEL CANTE, valorando para el mencionado premio, además de la actuación pública, el historial flamenco de los concursantes. Los grupos de cantes que habían de interpretar los artistas se distribuían de la siguiente forma: Siguiriyas, Tonás y Soleares. Los cantes por siguiriyas y soleá tendrían que hacerse por tres estilos diferentes; en las tonás, cada cantaor debería de ejecutar tonás, toná grande, martinetes y debla. Además, cada cantaor había de completar su actuación con dos cantes a su libre elección. Participaron en esta edición del Concurso de Córdoba: Juan Varea, Antonio Fernández Díaz "Fosforito", Antonio Núñez Montoya "Chocolate", "Platerito de Alcalá" y "Antonio Mairena". La LLAVE DE ORO DEL CANTE fue otorgada a Antonio Cruz García "ANTONIO MAIRENA", dotado con un premio de 100.000 ptas. El resto de los artistas recibieron la cantidad de 25.000 ptas. por su participación.
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RE: Black Dildos.....Must SEE!!!!!!! (in reply to RobJe)
He was totally robbed by that set up contest.
There was an old comment on a Platero vid years ago that disappeared. An aficionado claimed his friend once attended a venta (roadside bar) Juerga when Antonio Mairena appeared with some aficionados. It was near alcala so he went to pick up Platero. When they returned Platero sang a little and Mairena took the guy who brought him to the side and told him "Please don't EVER bring that guy around ever again!!"
RE: Black Dildos.....Must SEE!!!!!!! (in reply to Ricardo)
Mairena was a controversial figure in flamenco. The first dancer I played for told me that Mairena was often booed when he sang at bullfights. I came across a story told by Chocolate about when he and Mairena were run out of a town in Villa Nueva del Ariscal, because they attempted to sing old martinetes, while the public was more in the mood for fandangos.
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RE: Black Dildos.....Must SEE!!!!!!! (in reply to RobJe)
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Mairena was a controversial figure in flamenco. The first dancer I played for told me that Mairena was often booed when he sang at bullfights. I came across a story told by Chocolate about when he and Mairena were run out of a town in Villa Nueva del Ariscal, because they attempted to sing old martinetes, while the public was more in the mood for fandangos.
Rob
Some jerezanos had no problems taking jabs at him, for example Agujetas Sr. and Tia Anica Piriñaca in their Rito interviews, but I still respect him for what he did as a recording artist. He is a great model for study, as are so many others.
As for Platero, well, I never thought Camaron would seem a let down until I saw him follow Platero in program order. They should have reversed those two in this episode (18:33), it's embarrassing...
RE: Black Dildos.....Must SEE!!!!!!! (in reply to Ricardo)
Thanks for this clip. Morente doesn't stand up so well here either.
Poor old Platero - even now the accolades in this thread are hidden from all but lovers of BDs.
Cante drew me into flamenco before Camaron. When he arrived on the scene it was a bit of a shock but I kind of admired him. So when I met an old guitarist who claimed that Cameron was awful and that he was ruining el cante because young men were copying him, I didn't agree with the first part of his proposition. I've never been too sure about the second.
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