RE: Ramon Montoya Solea vs. Modern Solea

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Leñador

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RE: Ramon Montoya Solea vs. Modern Solea (in reply to Wheater)

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I think what's really going on is all of those guitarists who are too afraid to stand up to their dancer wives.
The issue then becomes whether defending a 130bpm solea is worth it when the price to pay is no sex for a month

HAHA, yeah, it's tough. I've stopped "being right" and am just supportive, I'll let her teachers correct her. Even when they ask for advice you've gotta choose your words wisely.....I guess that's all dancers but even worse when you live with them lol
Likely even harder when you're both pros....

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aloysius

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RE: Ramon Montoya Solea vs. Modern Solea (in reply to Ricardo)

Because of this, problems can occur when working with an older singer and younger dancer. The main singer where I live moved over from Spain in the late 60s, before the Great Solea Slowdown. Working with a modern dancer he'll often finish his phrase so early that he can come in to the next one half way through the compas. I have to pick a tempo somewhere in between, then fight tooth and nail to speed up the dancer and slow down the singer, so that they can meet somewhere in the middle. If the singer finishes the phrase too early I overplay the end of the compas so that he finds impossible to come in to the next phrase early.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 28 2016 4:04:05

Ricardo

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RE: Ramon Montoya Solea vs. Modern Solea (in reply to aloysius)

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ORIGINAL: aloysius

Because of this, problems can occur when working with an older singer and younger dancer. The main singer where I live moved over from Spain in the late 60s, before the Great Solea Slowdown. Working with a modern dancer he'll often finish his phrase so early that he can come in to the next one half way through the compas. I have to pick a tempo somewhere in between, then fight tooth and nail to speed up the dancer and slow down the singer, so that they can meet somewhere in the middle. If the singer finishes the phrase too early I overplay the end of the compas so that he finds impossible to come in to the next phrase early.

A dancer I worked with, and I, once encountered this singer for a show where all the other dancers involved insisted on dancing solea por Buleria. My dancer friend wanted proper "slowlea". At the run through before the show the singer sang the ENTIRE letra in about ONE compas give or take.

. Needless to say, my friend changed his mind at that point and decided to do Alegrias instead.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 29 2016 5:16:58

Kevin

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RE: Ramon Montoya Solea vs. Modern Solea (in reply to Ricardo)

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At the run through before the show the singer sang the ENTIRE letra in about ONE compas give or take. . Needless to say, my friend changed his mind at that point and decided to do Alegrias instead.

Are you ready to reopen the solxbul vs bulxsol discussion. Some new insights warrant it.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 29 2016 7:07:52

Ricardo

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RE: Ramon Montoya Solea vs. Modern Solea (in reply to Kevin)

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ORIGINAL: Kevin

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At the run through before the show the singer sang the ENTIRE letra in about ONE compas give or take. . Needless to say, my friend changed his mind at that point and decided to do Alegrias instead.

Are you ready to reopen the solxbul vs bulxsol discussion. Some new insights warrant it.

Insights of yours warrant it, go right ahead amigo. Gentle reminder you deleted ALL your posts from that discussion.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 29 2016 18:05:48

Kevin

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RE: Ramon Montoya Solea vs. Modern Solea (in reply to Leñador)

Actually, not my insights and I'll take that as a no.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 29 2016 18:50:58

Ricardo

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RE: Ramon Montoya Solea vs. Modern Solea (in reply to Kevin)

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Actually, not my insights and I'll take that as a no.

Hmm, not sure what was said before or what you mean exactly. I checked a bit of old topics on solea/Buleria. Fun discussions for sure, but I don't think I have changed any opinions since then. Only one "insight" I guess is that I used to lump in Serneta 1 (as per Norman's site) in with the "Alcala" group of cantes, as is done with Talega and others. Mainly I always had it in my head as a variant of the exact same song style but I realize since some of those old discussions I now keep it separate from "Alcala" generalized solea. I think I always heard it as the same cante but Joaquin 1 is like the drunk tired guy version, not reaching the minor third and such. Anyway, it's about the specifics of the melody and delivery but it doesn't really change the meaning of my argued points about accompanying Solea vs Buleria por solea, vs elastic compas, or boxed in cante vs libre etc etc. Revist if you want, I don't mind.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 30 2016 20:09:30

orsonw

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Another professional singer playing ... (in reply to jsndlng)

(The thread took a side track from the original topic half way down page one)

Samuel Serrano

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 18 2016 20:00:40

Leñador

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RE: Ramon Montoya Solea vs. Modern Solea (in reply to Leñador)

Nice!!
Duquende looks and sounds kinda different......

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 18 2016 20:40:39

chester

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RE: Ramon Montoya Solea vs. Modern Solea (in reply to Ricardo)

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Fernando Terremoto was supposed to be a very good tocaor, any footage?

Is this a palo?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 19 2016 5:29:57

Piwin

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RE: Ramon Montoya Solea vs. Modern Solea (in reply to chester)

Villancicos. Though not a palo per se, most are played in this kind of waltz like rhythm (but also tangos or bulerias I think)

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 19 2016 11:06:20

chester

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RE: Ramon Montoya Solea vs. Modern Solea (in reply to Piwin)

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Villancicos. Though not a palo per se, most are played in this kind of waltz like rhythm (but also tangos or bulerias I think)

Thanks. So it's a Christmas song? Kinda reminds me of "La Tarara" or some other song on La Leyenda Del Tiempo.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 20 2016 23:06:52

Piwin

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RE: Ramon Montoya Solea vs. Modern Solea (in reply to chester)

Yeah it's a Christmas song. Spain is a weird place during that time of year (even weirder than usual). In the south they're busy masturbating fart noises out of a zambomba (often used with villancicos) and in the north they're busy singing to a log and threatening to beat it with sticks if it doesn't crap out nougat (caga tio).

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 20 2016 23:59:55

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RE: Ramon Montoya Solea vs. Modern Solea (in reply to Piwin)

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Spain is a weird place during that time of year

...and not forgetting that wholesome Catalonian tradition that no nativity scene is complete without it's 'Caganer'

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 21 2016 3:46:35

Leñador

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RE: Ramon Montoya Solea vs. Modern Solea (in reply to Leñador)

I knew about the stupid zambomba but caga tio and el caganer is incredible. I'd like for America to give back Enrique Iglesias and take these traditions, amazing.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 21 2016 7:53:01

Piwin

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RE: Ramon Montoya Solea vs. Modern Solea (in reply to Leñador)

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I'd like for America to give back Enrique Iglesias and take these traditions, amazing.

If you can get Iglesias to crap nougat and small presents, you've got yourself a deal.
I have a feeling Trump would make a great caganer, but maybe we could just take him on loan for a month every year and send him back after?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 21 2016 8:18:59

Leñador

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RE: Ramon Montoya Solea vs. Modern Solea (in reply to Leñador)

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have a feeling Trump would make a great caganer, but maybe we could just take him on loan for a month every year and send him back after?

Okay, so he'll spend 11 months here crapping on the American Dream and one month there crapping on the nativity. That sounds about right for him.....

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 21 2016 14:32:17