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Doitsujin
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Im in NRW germany. You can have tons of dancers as present. (^_-)
The dancer who wanna force me to play didnt phone me again. I hope she wont do it too the next 3 days. Than the horror is over. She said "its a small gig, only a blerias and a Sevillanas" When we had a test-meeting she told oe. "oh..ehh there are two more guitarrists who dont know the bulerias compas, but they arranged the bulerias and you have to acoppan. their falsetas." What???? 2 Classical guitarrists who dont know compas are the leaders. Oh damn... The bulerias is so bad..you cant imagine. And there are only 3 or 4 compases with chords. The rest is falseta, but no bulerias style falsetas. Tons of nice chords but played with 0% aire.
The best comes now.Than she told me. "Oh you know, its our first gig, its like a comercial gig for us. When the crowd likes it we will get money for the next gig if it comes. So no money for this one... And..eehh I dance with my friend sevillanas. You come with us and where ever you find a seat, you sit down and play sevillanas and we dance. When we did the sev. we look for a ne seat, than the same. Oh..yes..we have to do this 3 hours long." (without money and I have an exam in 3 weeks in the university and need this day to learn.)
And the last cool instrution of her when I said, "but you have to give me money for petrol, coz its the minimum". Than she said "come with train, you have a month-ticket no? We invite you for a meal after the ""show""". 
She must have a dream that I do this gig!!!
Yes, I forgot that this **** starts around 2oclock, so the whole day would be wasted.
Im so angry on this daaaam stupid person. When I said very softly to her, that her husband (one of the classical guitarrist) plays well enough, so Im useless. I better stay home and they do it alone. She broke out becoming very angry and said "you are a no serious person!!You have to come!! We have a deal! You are no good repute person!! YOU HAVE TO COME!!
AAAAHH!!!!!!! What the hell is going on here????? Im not a beginner, and I have no time to do such fun-gigs during a very very important learning-period for the university!
****!
Its a so damn stupid situation, that I could laugh. 
EDIT: Sorry for these many swears.. If there is a problem with it, Ill delete the swears. But I had to use it to demonstrate the dimension of this mess.
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Date Jan. 20 2006 9:21:27
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Miguel de Maria
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RE: Losing my dancer (in reply to Jon Boyes)
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Doit,
in America we have a saying which is normally applied to recreational drugs "JUST SAY NO!"
You have no obligation to this person. She asked you to do a GIG, not a charity event or a waste of your time. You are a guitarist and should be treated like a professional, not a slave. No good will come out of wasting your time with a person like this. You will not get paying gigs out of it, you will just get more impositions on your time and completely unreasonable demands. The more time you spend with people like this, the more wastes of time will come your way. The fact that she asked you to pay for gas is the worst thing I have ever heard. She probably would expect you to pay for dinner for the dancers too. Don't do it, man!
Ryan, going solo was great. I do it my way, which is the best way, and don't have to argue or bother with anyone. When I was playing in duos, I was getting about 40 gigs a year, now I'm getting more than 100.
I play with a few duos now here and there, just enough to keep it interesting. Every MondAY I have a rumba gig, and we rehearse every couple weeks to add new things, harmony lines, etc. It's really cool. Eventually, I will want my own band, but for now this is very good.
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Date Jan. 20 2006 17:58:20
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Miguel de Maria
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From: Phoenix, AZ
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RE: Losing my dancer (in reply to Jon Boyes)
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Ron,
I am not a good businessman, no way no how. I am doing well right now with my business because I ask a lot of questions, and I listen to good advice.
You can ask Todd, for example, the nonstop stream of emails I have asked him about guitars, technique, Tonino, etc. When I first met Simon, I sensed that he was a successful and cool person, so I asked him some advice on business/life, etc. He sent me a great list of stuff, including "always date hot women." :)!
My wife is actually a business genius. She started her own law practice and has been very successful. Although a cute and petite, Asian-American woman, she is much more successful than the average lawyer and does things on her own terms. Basically everything I say about business is something that she has told me.
I guess the only thing I can take credit for, is I occasionally DO follow the good advice (there's so much, good and bad, flying around), and get results from it. :)
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Date Jan. 20 2006 21:25:30
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Doitsujin
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RE: Losing my dancer (in reply to Jon Boyes)
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Thanks for the advice!
Yesterday I was in town with some guitarrist-friends after playing for dance class. I drank too much and came home 30min ago with a very hurting brain...and the painkillers are out. *ouch!*
My cellphone was out of battery so she wasnt able to get me on the phone. I heared the messages 2 min ago. She phoned me and said she wanna give me the last instructions for the gig on sunday..  And she said that she lost my telephone numer of my phone in the house! ...what a pitty...hehhe. I dont know her number, its not on the display when she phones me. So I cant phone her, too. hmmmm
Ill wait if she phones me again, than I think she will get very very angry.. ohoh... Shes a "big-mama"-woman like paquera de jerez was. Im happy that I dont stand in front of her when I tell her again that I wont do the gig. She would break me some bones I think.. 
Miguel, I follow your words. You are right I think. And your wife is really fenomenal, too!! puuh...So Ron is right too.
Working with persons like the dancer from comming sunday only brings more problems than good things (like "money for the gig") That is the same what my friends told me yesterday as I asked for some opinions.
Damn,.. shes in a dance class where I allways play on monday. I will become a cruel next monday I think.. Why does allways such bad things happen to me?? Im a magnet for that.
I coud tell you another story from 2 weeks ago when I visited a friend who´s gone to spain. And there were problems with gettig the furniture out of the apartment. eeeh better not thinking about that again, I still have enough problems now. Well, Ill wait for the war now.
EDIT: Sorry John , my answere is totally off topic. Your theme is topic here. I feel very unconfortable at the moment,..I had to tell you my problem. Im happy about Miguels answere.
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Date Jan. 21 2006 10:40:11
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XXX
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RE: Losing my dancer (in reply to Doitsujin)
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sorry to bring up old memories Doit, but that story was too unbelievable to be buried in time. It was the most hilarious gigging "proposal" i have ever heard... 2-3 hours, bulerias and sevillanas... with 2 classical guitarrists as "last minute special guests" lol... and for 0€ 
one time a dancer changed the program by kicking out our most popular piece and inserting an unfinished piece which she knew i wasnt too happy about (SpB). That was ONE DAY before the gig. The program was all set up ONE MONTH beforehand and i only practiced those pieces, not the SpB. In that moment i knew that this was going to be our last gig together and i did not protest.
I think i could have rightfully said: "look, we agreed on the program, why are you changing things? I dont do it with last minute changes", but i had enough of all this. She didnt mention any artistic reason, she did it just to annoy me (one day before the gig), so i decided to just play the gig without any arguments and leave afterwards.
I havent seen her after finishing the gig  Its just a little pain, having invested so much time and work into the dances. They have the complete thing on video. Its my material, my work, my f* personality. 2 years WORK completely wasted. I wished i had never known them. Unthankful b*tches 
I thought that was already quite uncool, but compared to what happened to you it seems very mild.
Ok now i really feel better
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Date Mar. 6 2011 16:40:59
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Doitsujin
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RE: Losing my dancer (in reply to XXX)
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translations please.
Sorry... I don´t know a proper word in english for Schreckschaube.. Maybe somebody could help out. A Schreckschraube ist an annoying woman who is the pain in your neck.. Always arguing and being complete resistant for listening and thinking. Maybe..a female..moron? -.-
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I thought that was already quite uncool, but compared to what happened to you it seems very mild.
hahhaha I like your story. Well,... I had a couple of such situations.. One time we were hired to play in a restaurant. A friend of the owner recommended us. so he hired us for his opening. We thought it would be a usual gig ...playing some descent rumbas as background for diner. But they brought us in the garden of the restaurant.. Maybe 1 square kilometer of garden... And he wanted us to walk around, sing, play and make party.. We couldn´t of course,..and we did the usual program. It didn´t fit.. He was pissed of,...we were pissed of... His friend was pissed of coz he didn´t wanna pay and we wanted the money...Everybody was pissed off. Even some guests were pissed off..
Another time a dancer hired me to play for her but it was "last minute". So we didn´t practice together. We met first time in the bar where she had to dance. And we spoke for the first time about the program when we entered the stage..lol.. She just said.. Play Farruca. Some flasetas for introduction, copla, feet..falseta..and lets improvise the rest + llamadas + Ending. So.. We just started without thinking too much about what to do.. ^^ We did a 15min Farruca...which was very modern and revolutionary.... without any sense.. lol. The 10min improvised stomping part was sick.. xD ... Then some rumbas,..et voila.. Man horrible..
I could tell you a ton of these stories.. Im really a magnet for odd situations. So,... Deniz.. Take it with a grain of salt (do you say that in English? rofl) ... such **** happens over and over..^^
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Date Mar. 6 2011 20:01:55
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Florian
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m in NRW germany. You can have tons of dancers as present. (^_-)
The dancer who wanna force me to play didnt phone me again. I hope she wont do it too the next 3 days. Than the horror is over. She said "its a small gig, only a blerias and a Sevillanas" When we had a test-meeting she told oe. "oh..ehh there are two more guitarrists who dont know the bulerias compas, but they arranged the bulerias and you have to acoppan. their falsetas." What???? 2 Classical guitarrists who dont know compas are the leaders. Oh damn... The bulerias is so bad..you cant imagine. And there are only 3 or 4 compases with chords. The rest is falseta, but no bulerias style falsetas. Tons of nice chords but played with 0% aire.
The best comes now.Than she told me. "Oh you know, its our first gig, its like a comercial gig for us. When the crowd likes it we will get money for the next gig if it comes. So no money for this one... And..eehh I dance with my friend sevillanas. You come with us and where ever you find a seat, you sit down and play sevillanas and we dance. When we did the sev. we look for a ne seat, than the same. Oh..yes..we have to do this 3 hours long." (without money and I have an exam in 3 weeks in the university and need this day to learn.)
And the last cool instrution of her when I said, "but you have to give me money for petrol, coz its the minimum". Than she said "come with train, you have a month-ticket no? We invite you for a meal after the ""show""".
walk the f*uck out of there unless this girl is pretty and u like her or think she deserves a favour or you think shes genuine and will offer more better work in the future...weather unintentional or intentional its kind of disrespectful to you and what you do, if not ignorant at least...and if she wants to use the clasical guys and you to accompany them i dont get why she wants you as well...sounds like such a waste
of your talents and if she cant see that...she cant be that good
often you do this people a favour and then they always expect and the funny thing is they think of you as more professional and respect you more if you say no...if you say yes...they assume u less professional and will always offer you sh*t...trying to see how much they can get away with before you say no
money is not the reason we do this but our groceries and strings and petrol cost just like anything else too, none gives us a pass at the shop, we dont get to say i am going to try this milk for free and if i like it i will buy some in the future ...money not important but if you dont have them they can quickly become very important...
every now and then i do charity and free stuff but its rarely and for causes I think are worthwhile or people i know that cant afford it but really really appreciate it or for friends...not for restaurant owners or winery owners or art exhibitions or people who are just trying to impress they new boss with their negotiations skills by getting free entertainment
and again once you accept to do something free then the next time they do get money...they hire a more professional flamenco band who dosent accept free gigs cause they must be more professional and better ...no good deed goes unpunished
there's exceptions but in general that's the way this people think...its great this guy accepted this gig for free...but he mustn't be that good if he did
oh crap ...this post was from 2006 LOL ....how did it go Doit ?
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