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RE: sheet music to share? (in reply to greatusername)
Ok,thanks a lot for the information but do you know any free sites (sorry it can look kinda cheap but I'm just a 15 years old with not a lot of money to spend on tabs). I may be asking for a lot here, but I just want to know if it exists thanks.
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Ok,thanks a lot for the information but do you know any free sites (sorry it can look kinda cheap but I'm just a 15 years old with not a lot of money to spend on tabs). I may be asking for a lot here, but I just want to know if it exists thanks.
Remember these words kid..."you get what you pay for". Good luck.
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Ok,thanks a lot for the information but do you know any free sites (sorry it can look kinda cheap but I'm just a 15 years old with not a lot of money to spend on tabs). I may be asking for a lot here, but I just want to know if it exists thanks.
Sorry to respond again, but I recommend you sell your video games and video game players, mow some lawns, help out some family members, and save it all up with your 16th birthday money, and invest in some Alain Faucher transcriptions. $50 get you some good Stuff to get your teeth into.
And about tabs flamenco with no prices, those are "under the table", no (c) permissions/royalty payments agreements. Inquire.
Ok,thanks a lot for the information but do you know any free sites (sorry it can look kinda cheap but I'm just a 15 years old with not a lot of money to spend on tabs). I may be asking for a lot here, but I just want to know if it exists thanks.
Sorry to respond again, but I recommend you sell your video games and video game players, mow some lawns, help out some family members, and save it all up with your 16th birthday money, and invest in some Alain Faucher transcriptions. $50 get you some good Stuff to get your teeth into.
And about tabs flamenco with no prices, those are "under the table", no (c) permissions/royalty payments agreements. Inquire.
Agreed on all points except selling videogames, as a videogame nut I say hold onto them and find another way to make some money to pay for said high-quality Faucher transcriptions. ;)
That whole site is goldmine for a beginner -- it's all pretty basic traditional stuff that provides a good foundation to build on.
Start with that, decide if you like it, THEN maybe mow some lawns.
Actually mow those lawns now - the exercise will be good for you.
I have to agree about the level of those paid for ones - which is in keeping with the get what you pay for theme though. When I first started perusing the web I think I could only find the flamenco chuck site. The academy of flamenco guitar. I think it had a lot of similar stuff to cantytoque. I have downloaded (screenshot) more than a thousand pages from scribd though. Some good some ****e - I think utilising crummy tab is good for you, having to iron out the obvious mistakes. Ther is plenty of notes only stuff on scribd tho
RE: sheet music to share? (in reply to greatusername)
So far all the focus in this thread has been on sheet music. I for one am guilty for having been over reliant on sheet music (including Faucher tabs) and under reliant on my own ears. I can see exactly where Grisha is coming from when he says using tabs for flamenco is kind of stupid (he transcribes everything by ear). I do continue to do the stupid thing, but also try to mix things up more than in the past. There's a lot to be said for good video tutorials, they train your ear but with visual cues things are easier than transcribing from audio alone. Just look out for charlatans with sketchy compas or ego trippers who insist their way is the only way
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Thanks for everything, what I was trying to say is not that I don't want to invest in good quality scores , but I've been a metal guitar player for 7 years now. When I bought my classical a year ago, I started playing opeth on it and slowly moved to classical music. Searching for classical guitar technique I found a lot of videos about flamenco techniques(that I won't name because I don't speak spanish and the names are somewhat difficult for me to remember). I started thiniking about getting flamenco scores (because I try to get better at sight reading) but all I could find was not that well written tabs so I went here and asked :). I just don't really know flamenco enough to know what scores to buy.
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You can find a small collection of free resources at the link below. Quality varies. The Academy of Guitar link and Cante y Toque may be the best places to start out as a beginner (last two links on page).
RE: sheet music to share? (in reply to greatusername)
Thanks, yeah what I'm searching for is staff notation. I guess I'd be searching for intermediate stuff as I don't really know a lot of flamenco technique.
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I guess I'd be searching for intermediate stuff as I don't really know a lot of flamenco technique
I came from 12 years of metal playing too so I thought it'd be an easy transition. Take my word for it, you're a beginner. Start with Juan Martin stuff....
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but I'm just a 15 years old
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but I've been a metal guitar player for 7 years now
You started playing metal when you were 8?! I tip my hat to you sir. At that age I was still playing hide-and-go-seek, marbles and the like
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Thanks, yeah what I'm searching for is staff notation. I guess I'd be searching for intermediate stuff as I don't really know a lot of flamenco technique.
What Leñador said. What you need is not so much scores, as a basic course in Flamenco: otherwise, you may be able to play the notes, but you won’t understand what you’re doing, and all the aficionados will wince when they hear you.
There are several courses out there for flamenco beginners who already play guitar. Since money is an issue, you probably can’t afford the videos; but Juan Grecos’s The Flamenco Guitar is an excellent book, and you can get it from Amazon for eight bucks plus postage:
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Thanks for everything, what I was trying to say is not that I don't want to invest in good quality scores , but I've been a metal guitar player for 7 years now. When I bought my classical a year ago, I started playing opeth on it and slowly moved to classical music. Searching for classical guitar technique I found a lot of videos about flamenco techniques(that I won't name because I don't speak spanish and the names are somewhat difficult for me to remember). I started thiniking about getting flamenco scores (because I try to get better at sight reading) but all I could find was not that well written tabs so I went here and asked :). I just don't really know flamenco enough to know what scores to buy.
Classical guitar as a genre promotes standard notation exclusively, but in the end it is a very interpretive style. You find various versions and in the end the pro classical guy is always looking for "a good fingering" version of printed music or arrangement (unless composed by a player). While guitar generally can be like this, you should know darn well from metal world, that score +tab is the ONLY way you encounter accurate transcriptions. Same deal for flamenco. I have not yet seen the standard staff versions of FLAMENCO transcriptions that really spells out all the important info...Even Faucher's excellent volume of Ramon Montoya transcriptions. No no, dude...listen to me....score +tab is the way to go if you honestly want to get things correct. ALAIN FAUCHER ...again, and he only has that one book only standard notes. He has under the table cheaper tabs of single pieces, and the rhythms are clearly part of his personal way to write them. The fingering is not alway shown as in a standard score, but for what you want, position and string accuracy, right hand patterns, etc, it's the best way. All his printed books have both score and tabs.
Score + tab serves a a cross-check against misprints as well; and it obviates all the cabbalistic markings that clutter staff notation alone. But unfortunately, it near doubles the cost of production.
Classical guitarists do without tab. And in my experience, they’re not looking for good fingerings so much as good transcriptions: anyone above an intermediate level of competence should be able to do his own fingering.
Since I've had Finale (i.e. 1989), I’ve switched to doing all my guitar transcriptions in staff, and don’t miss tab at all.
(The exception is bluegrass banjo transcriptions, where the 5th string, plus the many different tunings, make staff notation all but incomprehensible.)
RE: sheet music to share? (in reply to greatusername)
Thanks a lot for all of that. I'll look into the books that have been mentioned earlier. I don't really mind buying a 25$ book because music is my only hoby so I'll probably just save up for those. If you had to start with one book wich one would you chose? Thanks again
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Paul Magnussen great advice me thinks!!
a suggestion maybe purchase one book and complete it !! something which has basic compas, i bought a few books and still cant hold down a groove, but learnt a few falsetas, not the best method better too get compas going first
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What’s missing from Faucher’s Montoya book?
The Montoya book doesn't have tab - it's staff only. All the other Faucher books I've seen have both staff and tabs (or on rare occasion, tab only). If you're comfortable with only staff, then there's nothing wrong. But I personally like to have both staff and tab, since I derive different information from each - I find that helps me read the piece quicker and easier compared to only staff or only tab.
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If you had to start with one book which one would you chose?
I have five Faucher books. The downside is he tends to pick obscure pieces to transcribe, which make finding the audio version very difficult or even impossible since some tracks are only on vinyl or only on 78's. And you definitely need the audio to learn the right 'groove'. The one I like best is 'Keys to Fandango'. It's pretty narrow in focus - only Fandangos - and it has a lot of faults, but it's really good if you want to learn about Fandangos, especially Fandangos naturales.
RE: sheet music to share? (in reply to greatusername)
It may sound a bit dumb, but I can't seem to find any tabs on the tabsflamenco site. I just find mp3s and youtube links and some messages from customers to the guy who runs the site. Am I looking at the wrong place? Thanks
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I started thiniking about getting flamenco scores (because I try to get better at sight reading)
classical guitar and flamenco guitar are NOT the same thing.
apart from the difference in the actual music and it's roots (cante flamenco and baile vs western classical music), there is a fundamental difference in composition and interpretation.
classical composers write music on a score and classical musicians interpret the score.
flamenco guitarist/composers mostly don't read music, and the few that do don't write or publish scores of their compositions (at least I don't know of any from Spain that do....)
when someone transcribes the live or recorded performance of a flamenco guitarist that is an interpretation of the composers work, and they are doing it by ear. The only one who really benefits from this process is the transcriber exercising their ears.
when I started learning flamenco I thought I would need to learn to read music. it has taken me 20 years to learn that if I can't learn something by ear and memory then I won't be able to play it anyway, at least not at speed with correct rhythm etc. so tabs or scores are effectively useless
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