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Piwin
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 RE: hello! from newest member. I hav... (in reply to Stu)
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Kickstarter is totally legit. not a scam. It's part of this modern movement of crowdfunding. I think its great. Some fanatstic projects have and are being crowdfunded. its people launching products, films, art etc etc. and they dont all have to be for worthy causes....(charity and such) infact most aren't.
Yeah I get that. And I'm not trying to denigrate the whole idea of crowdfunding. Not at all. My main issue is that it seemingly blurs the line between business and regular interaction. Again, this thread is in the "general" section even if it's clearly an advertisement for something being sold... A weird aspect of it is that often people present their crowdfunding projects by saying "be part of our story" etc. etc. But they're total strangers to me. This came up not too long ago with that video where the guy was asking for a free guitar. He could be legit, and some people who seem to have known him did vouch for him, but I'd never heard of him and was therefore rather skeptical. I've participated in some crowdfunding projects before, but always on a more specific project and with people that I knew much better.
To me, it's part of a more general trend where brands have come up with this whole "storytelling" approach to selling stuff. Like I'm not buying a pair of shoes, I'm buying the lifestyle and story that goes with it, etc. etc. I just don't understand that. I go by the saying "Aunque la mona se vista de seda, mona se queda". It's still just a business transaction, nothing modern about it, except perhaps the polish we put on it. But I do wish him best of luck with his trip to Spain. I will say this just for what it's worth: I've found that working here in the local economy (and not just off the internet) has been a worthwhile way of becoming part of the community here. Last time I was here, I just went to the pena and took some classes here and there and the "tourist" label kind of stuck because of it. This time it's been very different. Perhaps, the OP is also working and the kickstarter is just an added boost, just thought i'd mention this for anyone wondering. Anyways...
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Date Jun. 4 2016 14:13:06
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Piwin
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RE: hello! from newest member. I hav... (in reply to BarkellWH)
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There seems to be no interest in exercising personal responsibility and earning their own financial support to fund their projects.
Perhaps so. And perhaps in this specific case the person in question is just trying to skate through with other people's money. What I find confusing is this:
Providing a service for money is a good chunk of all employment out there, at the very least it's what I happen to do for a living. I've also, in certain circumstances, received payment before finishing the job. In that sense, the crowdfunding model seems no different to me than doing a job paid up front or receiving a startup investment for a business venture. The so-called "rewards" are just the products you are purchasing or your return on investment. Whether it's a good deal or not...well...I've not contributed to any of the project that I've seen up on the foro until now so I suppose I'd have to say no.
What bothers me about this model is that it creates a lot of confusion around what is going on. Stu called it philanthropy. Is that what this is supposed to be? Is it business? Business passing for philanthropy? If it is philanthropy, than it is poorly thought out since even fairly dated research shows that handing out "rewards", whether monetary or not, tends to diminish people's readiness to participate (for instance, how the failure of the scheme to reimburse people for donating blood). If it's business, than it shouldn't be using the guise of philanthropy and there should be more checks built in to make sure that clients aren't getting ripped off. I've participated in two crowdfunding projects up until now. Both had legitimate reasons for using that medium of funding and both had expressed very clearly what the returns would be (and both were actually part of the community they were asking money from before they asked...none of that "this is my first post can I have some money"...). In both cases, the people who launched the projects were hard working and I have no regrets of having supported them. In other words, I don't think resorting to crowdfunding means that you are necessarily trying to get everyone else except yourself to shoulder the financial burden, though of course in many cases that is exactly what they are doing. My point is just that it is often hard to tell, especially in those cases where you no know jack about the person requesting the funding - such as this one. Though the part about wanting to promote his videos commercially when initially stated otherwise is a pretty big red flag indeed...
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Date Jun. 4 2016 22:35:01
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Morante
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RE: hello! from newest member. I hav... (in reply to Dudnote)
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Could you please point those of us not in the know at these recordings Morente?
Hola
When I arrived in Cádiz I found that all the aficionados were moaning about the lack of recordings of all the great singers of the past. I asked why nobody had recorded them, neither Ayuntamiento, Diputation nor Peñas. But nobody felt responsible. I tried to point out that the cante of today is the history of tomorrow, but nobody was interested.
At the time, there were two recognized masters of Cádiz cante, Juan Silva and José Millán. So I made a recording of Juan, which was a great success. Later I recorded José, but he was in poor health and died without seeing his record on the streets. Juan has also died, so these two records, irrespective of their quality, will be important in the future.
They were intended only for distribution locally: the price of wider promotion could not be justified by the prospective sales
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Date Jun. 4 2016 23:16:01
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El Kiko
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RE: hello! from newest member. I hav... (in reply to Ricardo)
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I'm taking that as a 'NO' on my Ferrari then ...?
The thing not taken into account is ....
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For those of you who don't know kickstarter, it's a crowd funding website in which you offer rewards in exchange for investment - rewards usually take form in the product that you're creating or exclusive offers, etc. However I am trying to create a reward section that would encourage potential backers to invest in my project for reasons other than simply wanting to support my study. It would be slightly arrogant and unrealistic to assume otherwise!
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.this is a very confusing and arrogant statement , even though he thinks its not ...
as some of us ( here ) actually live in Andalucia ...others regularly travel there ...others again have flats or residences there . many here are Spanish from there , or even half Spanish from there .... so its a massive presumtion on his part that the people here have either
A ... no connection with Andalucia , but would like to have
B ....Never thought of actually going there themselves , either on holiday or for any other reason...
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he is ... of all of us ... the very , very ,,,..first to think of actually going there to learn something he wants to learn .......genius ..
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duhhhh...........
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. anyway ...i'm not the first one to want a Ferrari ...just the first one to ask you all for donations to get one ....
come on guys ....i can almost smell it ....
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fair play to the guy for trying. He was also offering 'Rewards' which is a crowdfund staple. but his rewards might be like trying to sell sand to the arabs 
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