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bernd
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Joined: Feb. 15 2004
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RE: Luthiers in Germany (in reply to Guest)
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Just a few remarks in order to luthiers in Germany, because I live in the middle of Germany and might say that I have a quite good overview about the luthiers in our country. 1) We have very few luthiers builiding flamenco guitars as well in order to a very small market. Luthiers builiding flamlencas, too, are - Brunswicker & Apelt (Frankfurt) - Stefan Schlemper (Worpswede) - Thorsten Lietz (Essen) - Wolfgang Suttner (Groß-Zimmern) - Erik Krause (Freiburg) He built a long neck flamenca for Tomatito - Katarina Wolf (Göttingen) - Martin Duwe (Mainz) - Gert Esmyol (Munich) There is no way to get a German luthier made flamenca at 2 to 3 k$ or €. At this range there is no better option to buy Anders´ 1A. The alternative can be the Camps Concierto from Spain, but it doesn´t sound that bright and crispy as Ander´s 1A, and it costs more. 2) Mundo Flamenco (Freiburg) is not a luthier but a specialized dealer with a world wide top noch reputation. He has the best biggest hand selected flamenco guitar collection in Europe. 3) Vioworld is an online classified ad magazine where also some decievers deal there. So keep an eye on dubious payment suggestions and declare your own safe option to keep it strictly up! There were several posts on German guitar forums the last 2 years. 4) To Anders: I´m sorry to read your words and I´m still dreaming of your 1 A. I´m sure one day I´ll be happy to earn enough money to get it. With reference to IraqiOud I suggest, too, to re-organize your marketing activities. When I talk about flamencas with German guitarists and you are named, people tell me they heard a little bit via my posts here in on my community, but there is no apperance like your guitars were out of reach, while your pricing is absolutely competitive. Please don´t feel offendet by the following statement: Only the cheap discounter like Aldi and Lidl can make a good business by selling via the price. Today I have phoned with a German luthier (not named here) regarding his student flamenca, based on his entrance classical model. This model is only built on customers request. The entrance line will only be built, if he has some apprentices, because it takes too much effort to build them. So he has focused to have a good market position in the 2.500 to 3.000 € range. Furthermore from time to time he is present at the guitar festivals. Johannes, the owner of Mundo Flamenco, made exhibitions at flamenco festivals during 90th and 2000th years and reached a high level of brand awareness. Today, marketing doesn´t work anymore as it did in the beginning of the 2000th years, that´s over! Having a website, a good reputation and a youtube channel is much to less for today. The internet can still be used to get to generate profitable leads, but the strategy has changed. You cannot wait for the customers to come to you hoping to get sold some guitars. E. g. you´ll need to let the birds fly out to get a better attraction ;-) Please take my words as and advice. Maybe you can think a little bit before you might make a wrong decission. Saludos Bernd
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Date May 13 2016 12:20:00
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Anders Eliasson
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RE: Luthiers in Germany (in reply to Piwin)
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99% sounds like you're pretty certain of your next move ;-) I've enjoyed reading your posts in the short time I've been here and do hope that you won't dissappear from the foro. Best of luck with whatever you decide to do! Cheers, Thanks Piwin. I can imagine that I will be back on the foro. Its a old story for me. I´m not angry at anyone and I like the place. but I may take a good long break. It can be very healthy I´ve been a member since July 2003. I know my profile says autumn 2006 but its because I forgot my login and just made a new one after a summer break.. So you add +3 years and a couple of thousand posts. Just like a few other members, I´m not like an old walpaper, I´m like the wallpaper behind the old wallpaper. You know the kind of thing that sticks to the original wall and is hard to get rid off. Escribano: I´m 99% sure I will have my workshop set up one day and that I will go out there and do stuff. But I´m far from sure that I will follow that line that some kind persons here suggest, building a lot, PR, marketing strategies, shops, a new haircut and so on. You, know the usual story about how this world funcions and how we have to behave. I hate all that crap and it definately has a negative impact on finetuning guitars and other sensible things. I think I´m more into sailing than building boats in Denmark. But who knows, I must admit that I have an eye on a couple of beautifull small craft.
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Date May 14 2016 10:07:11
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BarkellWH
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Joined: Jul. 12 2009
From: Washington, DC
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RE: Luthiers in Germany (in reply to Anders Eliasson)
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Thanks a lot for all your encouraging words. Its my own fault that I´m an idiot.... I actually feel good about stopping for a while and maybe starting up with a new concept. I will 99% sure leave Spain VERY soon and move to Denmark. There its impossible to be a full time luthier and survive . But I´m happy if I can take my workshop with me, set it up and build a little bit here and there and maybe sell something here and there. But dont expect my prices to stay where they are and my orderlist is closed. I´m in a moment of my life where I cant really be bothered anymore. I build because I like it. I build better than ever and thats fine for me for now. Anders, You certainly are not an idiot. You are one of the saner voices on the Foro. I have enjoyed reading your posts over the years, and I have appreciated your determination to do things the way you want to do them, and not the way others think you should do them. I'm sure that getting out of your rut in Spain and moving to Denmark will be like a breath of fresh air. Spain has its charms, but so does Denmark. When I was in the U.S. Air Force, based in Bremerhaven, Germany in the 1960s, I drove to Denmark on at least four different occasions and loved it. It is now considered the "happiest" country on earth, according to a recent poll. I don't know what that means; at one time Bhutan was listed as the "happiest" country on earth. But I don't doubt that Denmark is up there at the top, however one defines "happy." Buy a boat. Go sailing. set up your luthier's shop and turn out your high-quality guitars at your own pace. Take a break from the Foro, but please do not abandon it completely. I will look forward to your posts from Denmark. Bill
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