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DavRom

 

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I heard Gerardo saying in a video that golpe has become increasingly less necessary in modern times with the advent of percussion like the cajón and that he plays them less than in the past

i've been thinking about this particularly because i have sacrificed broken nails at the golpe altar. it is def cool to hear Vicente come down hard with a golpe above the 6th string for a phrase ending cadence but i wonder that golpe playing is all that

to be sure, i'm not looking for an excuse to not practice playing golpes. either way i am not going to continue giving up my nails to them. i'm happy playing compas with the rasgueo climaxes ex-golpes along the way. (although i still need to find a way to protect my nails from the rasgueo onslaught, which i find is not so much an issue as long as i file away potential splits on a daily basis)

i'm interested in thoughts about this historically and going into the future
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 18 2016 0:32:08
 
Sr. Martins

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RE: Golpe (in reply to DavRom

quote:

it is def cool to hear Vicente come down hard with a golpe above the 6th string for a phrase ending cadence but i wonder that golpe playing is all that


What do you mean? MIDI triggered golpe?

When he does that golpe, that's his golpe.. when it's the cajon, it's the cajon.


I think he means that the guitar doesn't have to do that many golpes if there is a cajon player (or something else) accentuating those spots already. Just imagine the craptastic performance it would be if the guitar was golping all the time, cajon punching it all the time, taconeo all the time... The same goes for pretty much any genre except extreme metal.

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BarkellWH

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RE: Golpe (in reply to DavRom

To be able to execute golpes is an integral part of playing flamenco guitar. As Sr. Martins points out, you don't want your golpes competing with the cajon, but how many times do you play accompanied by a cajon? In any case, I think well-executed golpes will always be part of playing flamenco. Keep practicing them.

As an aside, if both golpes and rasgueos are shredding your nails, either you are doing something wrong or you need to strengthen and protect your nails. Playing flamenco will always be rough on nails, but it sounds like you have a particularly bad problem with them.

Bill

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DavRom

 

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RE: Golpe (in reply to DavRom

playing rasgueos is not a problem as long as i file my nails daily to prevent splits

but, no matter what i do, playing golpes sooner or later leads to cracking my A finger nail straight across the tip. sux!
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MikeC

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RE: Golpe (in reply to DavRom

Do you use super glue / krazy glue? My nails broke a few times doing golpes and rasgueado. Since then I started to brush on a couple of coats of krazy glue every 1-2 weeks and they don't break anymore (at least playing guitar).
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 18 2016 14:39:51
 
BarkellWH

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RE: Golpe (in reply to MikeC

I use Krazy Glue as well, and I have had no problem with nails splitting or breaking, either while performing rasgueos or golpes. Don't cover the entire nail. You just need to cover about a quarter of the nail from the filed edge down.

Bill

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 18 2016 15:27:53
 
DavRom

 

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RE: Golpe (in reply to DavRom

I don't remember if i ever tried Krazy Glue, but i've tried Super Glue and it flakes after a day or so providing no protection after

what i don't like about these is the application (stuff that runs). i can't find a brush on version

do you use gel? is it easy to apply?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 18 2016 16:42:22
 
MikeC

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RE: Golpe (in reply to DavRom

I found this at Walgreens. It is cyanoacrilate and has a brush:



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koenie17

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RE: Golpe (in reply to DavRom

I keep my nails very shord(1/1.5 mm) except for my thumbnail(acrilic) wich is quite long and my pinky. A bit of getting used to but I never have problems with my nails anymore. Just like you say : A bit of filing every day... keeps your nailproblems away!!

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BarkellWH

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RE: Golpe (in reply to DavRom

quote:

i can't find a brush on version


Krazy Glue comes with a brush-on version. Look at the glue section of a CVS or other drugstore. When you see the Krazy Glue section, check it out for the brush-on version. It will be among the others. It will not flake after a day or so either; at least it hasn't with me.

Bill

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 18 2016 18:50:27
 
MikeC

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RE: Golpe (in reply to BarkellWH

I've looked for the Krazy glue with brush at drugstores, grocery stores, home depot and most of the time I cannot find it.

The product that I mentioned above is in the nail polish section. The other thing I like about it is that it doesn't dry out in the bottle or at least not as quickly. I've been using the same bottle for months and is still liquid. Super glue or Krazy glue dries out after a few uses in my experience.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 18 2016 19:08:10
 
DavRom

 

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RE: Golpe (in reply to DavRom

i like my nails pretty short otherwise the tone is not full and round. any shorter and it's too fleshy/dull. so they break regardless the length

anyway, i just bought some of that 5 second brush on stuff...hope it works. that and daily filing. i used to get away with doing it every 2 or 3 days pero el flamenco es brutal

thx Mike!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 18 2016 19:32:48
 
Ricardo

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RE: Golpe (in reply to DavRom

quote:

ORIGINAL: DavRom

I heard Gerardo saying in a video that golpe has become increasingly less necessary in modern times with the advent of percussion like the cajón and that he plays them less than in the past

i've been thinking about this particularly because i have sacrificed broken nails at the golpe altar. it is def cool to hear Vicente come down hard with a golpe above the 6th string for a phrase ending cadence but i wonder that golpe playing is all that

to be sure, i'm not looking for an excuse to not practice playing golpes. either way i am not going to continue giving up my nails to them. i'm happy playing compas with the rasgueo climaxes ex-golpes along the way. (although i still need to find a way to protect my nails from the rasgueo onslaught, which i find is not so much an issue as long as i file away potential splits on a daily basis)

i'm interested in thoughts about this historically and going into the future


1. Nuñez was being "cute" by pointing out the old school guitarists were working very hard being supportive by filling up more rhythmic space. Modern players, especially solo players, have the luxury of playing synchopated things, focus on melody that might have a lot of cool spaces, meant to be covered by percussion (palmas, cajon, a foot tap, whatever). Basically the modern flamenco is more more "free" to be like a singer, singing off the beat and such. It is not that we must rely on percussion, notice PDL using his foot to keep time like nudillos of old days (knuckle on the table to keep 3 beat rhythm). While any modern player that is top level is capable of delivering a convincing performance without percussive backing, it is often nice to have the reference for the audience...especially with syncopated things. Further, Nuñez himself used capitalize on his vicious arpegio technique, composing very beautiful falsetas that dont' allow for any percussive hits really. It was a big part of his personal style before his injury.

2.If you splitting nails with GOLPE, it is probably because you don't use enough flesh to support the nail, or your nail is just too long and you are allowing it to get chipped. So make sure you are supporting the nail with finger tip skin. Practice doing golpes with NO nail sound too, and learn how to make deliberate use of more or less nail attack.

3. The reason the nail breaks is because of rasgueados thinning out the nail from cuticle to tip. For this reason, the glue (as advised above) functions as a second layer of skin and will wear more slowly and after lots of rasgueado wears off the glue, you can put more on, so always protecting the nail. I recommend, because of how I see it wear, to cover the ENTIRE nail, not just the tip. Otherwise you can thin out the nail behind the glue and an accidental jam into a door knob could crack it across the weak spot.

4. The reason the glue flakes off is because it has gone stale. You have to treat Cyano glue like food...store in a plastic bag and it will last months. As soon as you notice it flaking early, discard it and buy a fresh bottle.

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DavRom

 

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RE: Golpe (in reply to DavRom

I tried finding a nail/flesh balance in golpe (just like in rest and free stroke) but my A nail would always break so I didn't get far. as i said, i keep my nails pretty short for the stated reasons, thumb as well. i'll keep #3 and #4 in mind as i use this brush on stuff

thx for the tips!

meanwhile i just saw this @ 43:15 (I really enjoyed this docu):

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DavRom

 

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RE: Golpe (in reply to MikeC

quote:

It is cyanoacrilate


I should ask, does this stuff thin your nails after long-term use?

I've tried stuff on my nails in the past and regretted it for this reason
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Ricardo

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RE: Golpe (in reply to DavRom

quote:

ORIGINAL: DavRom

quote:

It is cyanoacrilate


I should ask, does this stuff thin your nails after long-term use?

I've tried stuff on my nails in the past and regretted it for this reason


It will not so long as you DON'T TAKE IT OFF EARLY....don't scrape at it when it starts flaking after a week. Just put more on in the holes. What thins the nails is playing, not the glue. If you try to scrape glue off prematurely, you might take some nail material with it, which would thin them.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 20 2016 10:46:27
 
DavRom

 

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RE: Golpe (in reply to DavRom

Thanks for that!
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BarkellWH

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RE: Golpe (in reply to DavRom

Just to reinforce my post above and to second Ricardo's, you can't go wrong using Krazy glue. It works, and it works well. It was recommended to me by my flamenco guitar teacher, a professional player and instructor who has been using it for years.

As Ricardo notes, when it begins to flake off, just fill in the flaked-off areas. You can find the brush-on version in most drugstores--CVS, Walgreen's, Rite-Aid, etc. Keep it in a sealed plastic food bag and it will last a long time before beginning to coagulate.

Bill

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And the end of the fight is a tombstone white,
With the name of the late deceased,
And the epitaph drear, "A fool lies here,
Who tried to hustle the East."

--Rudyard Kipling
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