RE: have you guys seen this? Al discussing rhythm/ pretty cool

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Sr. Martins

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RE: have you guys seen this? Al disc... (in reply to El Rey De los Bagres)

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I don't know much about music theory or jazz but i am sure Al Di Meola contributed to the evolvement of the guitar in his nisch, but at the same time it's weird he is so widely known while guys like Pat Metheny is not.

I always thought that Pat Metheny never got the concept of a riff/hook.. maybe more people feel that way about his music. Maybe one day I'll learn to appreciate it but I've tried a few times in the last 15 years and it still is too boring for me. Thankfully Vicente doesn't sound like Pat.

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Lorenzo714

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RE: have you guys seen this? Al disc... (in reply to Mark2)

OK, I stood on the side lines long enough...Guess i have to add my 2 cents

I agree the guy is a monster technically on the guitar.....so what?

Whats the point of a big flurry of notes if not done with a truly melodic or music style that is truly unique?

No doubt his music is technically very accurate & played perfect but it seldom makes a statement musically. I mean musically I feel he lacks feeling or something is just not there...

Whereas when Paco played he truly composed & created music that made a statement. Even Vicente, Moraito & a lot of other Flamenco guitarist have truly created music that may have a flurry of notes but they played with taste & feeling.

Another example...Going back to my Heavy metal days...take Eddie Van Halen....Eddie would play fast but played with feeling & a truely unique style that made him into a guitar legend.

For me their has to be more than just technical perfection & blazing notes to make a guitarist great!!! My 2 cents

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Ruphus

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RE: have you guys seen this? Al disc... (in reply to Sr. Martins)

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ORIGINAL: Sr. Martins

I always thought that Pat Metheny never got the concept of a riff/hook.. maybe more people feel that way about his music. Maybe one day I'll learn to appreciate it but I've tried a few times in the last 15 years and it still is too boring for me. Thankfully Vicente doesn't sound like Pat.

Well said.
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Say what you want, there was one piece from Al which, howsoever fakemenco, was great in all respect, including musicality. To dismiss a piece like that I´d say borders on musical frigidity.
Don´t know the title, though. Had it on cassette. Unfortunately, it was not contained on the one or two venyls I have from him.

Ruphus

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Ricardo

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RE: have you guys seen this? Al disc... (in reply to Lorenzo714)

Pure technique, no musicality.

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tri7/5

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RE: have you guys seen this? Al disc... (in reply to Lorenzo714)

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Whats the point of a big flurry of notes if not done with a truly melodic or music style that is truly unique?

Name another who sounded like Al in the 70's when he hit the scene? Why do you think Elegant Gypsy was such a landmark album in the guitar world?

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El Rey De los Bagres

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RE: have you guys seen this? Al disc... (in reply to Sr. Martins)

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I always thought that Pat Metheny never got the concept of a riff/hook.. maybe more people feel that way about his music. Maybe one day I'll learn to appreciate it but I've tried a few times in the last 15 years and it still is too boring for me.

Check out the album Parallel Realities if you already haven't

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Thankfully Vicente doesn't sound like Pat.

OK so why are you dragging Vicente in to this? He is not a Jazz musician as far as i know, why would he sound like Pat Metheny?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 12 2016 15:00:32

El Rey De los Bagres

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RE: have you guys seen this? Al disc... (in reply to Ruphus)

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Well said.

Yeah very profound indeed

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 12 2016 15:04:11

Sr. Martins

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RE: have you guys seen this? Al disc... (in reply to El Rey De los Bagres)

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OK so why are you dragging Vicente in to this? He is not a Jazz musician as far as i know, why would he sound like Pat Metheny?

Because Pat is an influence to Vicente.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 12 2016 18:53:03

Ruphus

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RE: have you guys seen this? Al disc... (in reply to Sr. Martins)

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ORIGINAL: El Rey De los Bagres

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Well said.

Yeah very profound indeed

Not profound. Subjective.
Only based on what I know from him, which isn´t all his discography.
I´ve been suggested to certain works of him before on the foro, but havn´t yet come to check them out.

The stuff that I am familair with however never touched me, and me really is no snob at all.

Ruphus

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 12 2016 19:00:17

El Rey De los Bagres

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RE: have you guys seen this? Al disc... (in reply to Sr. Martins)

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Because Pat is an influence to Vicente.

Ah ok i didn't know that, Apologies to you Sr Maratin and Ruphus if i came across as rude.

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Lorenzo714

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RE: have you guys seen this? Al disc... (in reply to Ricardo)

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RE: have you guys seen this? Al disc... (in reply to Lorenzo714)

Pure technique, no musicality.

Not sure if you guys have seen this guy but he has perfect technique, compas, musicality & he's creative to top it all off....plus I hear he's real cool dude!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 13 2016 0:39:47

Cervantes

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RE: have you guys seen this? Al disc... (in reply to Lorenzo714)

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ORIGINAL: Lorenzo714

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RE: have you guys seen this? Al disc... (in reply to Lorenzo714)

Pure technique, no musicality.

Not sure if you guys have seen this guy but he has perfect technique, compas, musicality & he's creative to top it all off....plus I hear he's real cool dude!

Ole!

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