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Munin

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Baile appreciation thread

Well, to make the circle complete...

Just watched Saura's "Flamenco" recently again and it struck me that I know so little about dance. I also haven't really seen a lot of it yet. Though I often do like hearing dancers on records, the few and brief times they are used. But other than that...I'd especially like to see some more male dancers, female ones seem to be more popular (?) but there is obviously a distinct style about male dancing that I really enjoy.

Does anyone have some good videos of more dancing, on, say YouTube? Recently enjoyed but I can't even tell whether that's intended to be particular over-the-top theatralics or rather "par for the course" (the "that guy is crazy" look on the gospel singer's faces seems to suggest the former, though

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val

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RE: Baile appreciation thread (in reply to Munin)

Did you look at the
Caña I posted ?
Not a famous name ( in fact I can't remember what he was called - I should have written it down).

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Munin

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RE: Baile appreciation thread (in reply to Munin)

Hmm, must have missed that - but certainly awesome and exactly what I was looking for! Thanks!

Any more, guys?

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val

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RE: Baile appreciation thread (in reply to Munin)

Glad you liked it - it was a pretty amazing show - out in the open.
Now of course, yet another mention of the LOVELY Juan Antonio Perez.
Check out his Alegria

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Ailsa

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RE: Baile appreciation thread (in reply to Munin)

Hmmm you didn't get much response Munin. OK here are a couple of things I like.

La Singla

And I've just found these through AntonioM's post of a young PdL

If you want to see more modern stuff, I'm sure that if you put one of the top names like Eva la Yerbabuena or Sara Baras in the search you'll find loads.

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Ricardo

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RE: Baile appreciation thread (in reply to Ailsa)

SINGLA!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 7 2009 9:18:04

Guest

RE: Baile appreciation thread (in reply to Munin)

Fuensanta La Moneta

Sean

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Ricardo

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RE: Baile appreciation thread (in reply to Munin)

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MarcChrys

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RE: Baile appreciation thread (in reply to Munin)

Carmen Amaya was sensational. Not sure classical flamenco dancers approve of her (she was mainly self-taught), but she exuded a wild exuberant feminine energy that is utterly captivating.

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Ricardo

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RE: Baile appreciation thread (in reply to Munin)

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Dudnote

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RE: Baile appreciation thread (in reply to Ricardo)

Not much baille appreciation gone on in 6 years

Let's raise this one from the dead

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Danza

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RE: Baile appreciation thread (in reply to Munin)

Dance is my first love, one of my favorite dancers is Maria Juncal.
Very graceful lines in her dance, very strong and elegant in every move.

Here is a video clip--

One of my favorite male dancers is Pepe Torres. His amazing footwork was featured on the Son de la Frontera cd .

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 9 2015 21:57:38

Richard Jernigan

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RE: Baile appreciation thread (in reply to Munin)

Here are Tomatito, the cantaores Kiki Cortiñas and Simón Román, and bailaora Paloma Fantova, all on top form. These four at least were part of Tomatito's group who played Austin last year. It had been decades since a bailaora moved me to tears:

RNJ

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JohnWalshGuitar

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RE: Baile appreciation thread (in reply to Munin)

My favourite dancer Karen Lugo & favourite guitarist Jose Manuel Leon

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Leñador

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RE: Baile appreciation thread (in reply to Munin)

Paloma was the highlight of that Tomatito show, she was incredible. I saw it in LA and was kind of disappointed. Only one song with dance, maybe two with cante and the rest was tomatito and the other guitarists doing guitar trio rumba type stuff.

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Richard Jernigan

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RE: Baile appreciation thread (in reply to Leñador)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Leñador

Paloma was the highlight of that Tomatito show, she was incredible. I saw it in LA and was kind of disappointed. Only one song with dance, maybe two with cante and the rest was tomatito and the other guitarists doing guitar trio rumba type stuff.

In Austin they let Paloma do two numbers, one at the beginning of the show and the other at the end. Any more and it would have been the Paloma Fantova show, not Tomatitio.

The Austin show was a joint production of the Austin Classical Guitar Society and the Paramount Theater. Matt H., the executive director of the Guitar Society showed a clip of Fantova sent as part of the promotion kit. He told us Tomatito's management said not to hype Paloma too much...

RNJ

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mark indigo

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RE: Baile appreciation thread (in reply to Richard Jernigan)

i dunno what all the fuss is about the dancer with Tomatito.
I saw the same dancer in what sounds like the same show at Sadlers Wells in London that same year, and although the dancer was right on time all she seemed to have was machine gun footwork.
I didn't think she had the kind of overall feeling and expressiveness that I like in a good dancer.
She was too robotic and machine-like for my liking.
This always seems to be the case with guitarists who have a token dancer in their "group" - usually someone who does sections of fast footwork and the crowd wets themselves with excitement 'cos at last they think they are getting a bit of the "real thing"
(they usually don't recognise the wailing and shouting of the singer as being the "real thing" or at least if they do then it's a bit of the "real thing" they don't really like....

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Admittedly part of the "problem" is that the dancer has to fit in with the guitarists solo stuff, so they don't really get an opportunity to develop a proper baile (ie. entrada, llamadas, letras, falsetas, escobillas etc.)
There should be a dramatic development to the dance, with proper build up to the footwork, so without that it often comes across as disjointed and out of context (to me), just a bit of token dance thrown, although IMO it is usually just some token footwork thrown in, not proper dance.
Also I suspect they hire someone with appropriate machine-gun footwork to "thrill" the audience, without too much actual expression or artistry to overshadow the star of the show.....

I thought the singers were no big deal, sort of cardboard cut-out Camaroneros.
I thought they were good at reminding us how good Camaron was without actually being as good as Camaron, which would be hard, if not impossible, seeing as they are not Camaron.
I guess what I mean is they were good Camaroneros!

Tomatito on the other hand was legend, really as good as I hoped he would be, in no actual danger of being overshadowed, he was awesome.
There was a lot of light and shade in the show, a whole range of different mood, atmosphere and feeling.
Definitely not just "trio-rumba" stuff.

I just googled the show to try and find a review to confirm my memory of the set list (it was nearly two years ago) and found not just a review but my own comments on that review!!

here is a snippet from my comment: "He opened with Taranta moving into Minera, we heard a reworked version of the Alegrias "La Ardila", the beautiful "Two Much-Love Theme" with second guitar replacing Michel Camilo's piano, Tangos, Solea por Bulerias, and of course Bulerías"

the full review (not very complimentary about Tomatito, drooling over the dancer

) and my irate (but controlled and just a bit over the top verbose) rant in response is here:

http://www.theartsdesk.com/new-music/tomatito-sadlers-wells

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Leñador

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RE: Baile appreciation thread (in reply to Munin)

That's fair, but her footwork and the power behind it is from another planet.
I don't think all the sets were the same, Richard got two paloma performances, I didn't. I remember hearing, a bulerias, alegrias, and a tangos. The rest sounded to me like guitar noodling.

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Richard Jernigan

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RE: Baile appreciation thread (in reply to mark indigo)

For me it wasn't so much Paloma's rapid fire footwork as it was the rest of her movement. In fact I found the footwork a little---distracting?

It was the power, precision and grace of her movement at high speed. It had a sentimental connection, I will admit. She reminded me of Carmen Amaya the last time I saw her, in early 1962 at the Village Gate in New York, on her last tour of the USA.

We got there early to get a front row place. Sabicas was at the next table, friendly and gracious, as always.

I liked Tomatito in the Youtube clip better than I did at the show. The singer, too.

RNJ

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Dudnote

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RE: Baile appreciation thread (in reply to Danza)

Loved these recent uploads. Keep them coming!!!

Otro!! Otro!!

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Dudnote

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RE: Baile appreciation thread (in reply to JohnWalshGuitar)

Any idea John why so many of the videos on YouTube of Jose Manuel Leon and his band are made up of a patch work of short segments? Although some of the transitions here are done quite well, their patchy videos often feel jolty and it kind of kills the pleasure of listening to their videos for me.

What's the idea? To attract people to their shows, but prevent people ripping their music from YouTube?

By the way, thanks for the post, I didn't know about this great dancer...

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