Jewelry question (let the taunting begin)

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turnermoran

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Jewelry question (let the taunting b...

yes.. I will be shamed for this.. but..

The bracelet/jewelry/bling so commonly worn on the right wrist.
You can't palm mute with jewelry rattling on the guitar top.

I mean, sure.. I don't see palm muting very often in flamenco technique. But it's seems impossible if wearing a bracelet.
Is there a connection between the bracelet and the fact that it mandates a certain minimum height of the wrist?

For example.. Paco's (and many others) low profile of the hand for picado. Has anyone had experience with a loose wrist bracelet that rattles against the guitar top when going too low for this?

Palm muting guarantees that the bracelet is going to make contact.
Just seems odd that a technique that is in fact used periodically (Nunez for example.. a non bracelet wearer) doesn't work with the gitano look.

This is the lamest question I've ever asked here. But it had to be done.
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mark indigo

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RE: Jewelry question (let the taunti... (in reply to turnermoran)

you can hear Tomatito's bling jangling away all through his Encuentro vid....

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turnermoran

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RE: Jewelry question (let the taunti... (in reply to mark indigo)

True.. but that's jewelry banging on jewelry. (I think he was trying to set a new record that day.

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mark indigo

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RE: Jewelry question (let the taunti... (in reply to turnermoran)

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True.. but that's jewelry banging on jewelry.

by "palm mutes" do you mean the same as "apagado"? aren't there some of those in the standard tuning Tangos por medio? have to watch the vid again and see/hear how the bling hits/misses the top

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turnermoran

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RE: Jewelry question (let the taunti... (in reply to mark indigo)

While apagado is traditionally done with the left-hand, tomatito, among the many, uses his right hand to close his abanico rasgueado.
So, to your point, excessive jewelry could be an issue there. But it's not the same thing I'm talking about. Because you can use mostly the fingers to stop the strings and leave the wrist relatively high. Which is what he does.

Palm muting is placing the heel of the hand on the saddle and playing a passage of notes with the Thumb or fingers.

Nunez has a tango - I think - that he plays in his Encuentro vid with the palm you doing I'm speaking of.

By this point, I think I have lost interest in my own question
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As in, if you need to palm mute, don't wear jewelry! Whatever..

I guess those committed to the bracelet lifestyle have learned to line with its limits.
Ole!

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Grisha

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RE: Jewelry question (let the taunti... (in reply to turnermoran)

But Rolex is a must! Or you are kicked out of flamenco circles.

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Ricardo

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RE: Jewelry question (let the taunti... (in reply to turnermoran)

It is a bit of a juggling act depending on the bracelet style but it just takes a little getting used to. It becomes part of the technique and later if you don't have it on, it feels weird to do some heavy handing things.

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mark indigo

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RE: Jewelry question (let the taunti... (in reply to turnermoran)

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While apagado is traditionally done with the left-hand

what's it called when strings are stopped with right hand? I hear "tapeado" (silent d) a lot, for either muting with the left hand (while strumming rhythm with right), and for stopping strings with right hand

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Nunez has a tango - I think - that he plays in his Encuentro vid with the palm you doing I'm speaking of.

Bulerías in Rondeña tuning? that starts the way you describe, on Flamencos en Nueva York, he plays the intro on Encuentro

I think there's a classical term for the technique of stopping strings with heel of palm at bridge and playing with thumb, but can't remember what it's called.

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ngiorgio

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RE: Jewelry question (let the taunti... (in reply to mark indigo)

The classical term for muting the strings with the right hand at the bridge is called pizzicato.

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Blondie#2

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RE: Jewelry question (let the taunti... (in reply to ngiorgio)

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ORIGINAL: ngiorgio

The classical term for muting the strings with the right hand at the bridge is called pizzicato.

Only when you are plucking the strings also (with the side of the thumb), its a sound effect not a muting technique per se.

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turnermoran

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RE: Jewelry question (let the taunti... (in reply to Blondie#2)

Thanks for clarifying.
Yes, that's what I'm speaking about. Having a rock background, I guess I never got out of the habit of calling it "Palm muting".

But "pizzicato"/palm muting..same thing.

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