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ripxtide

 

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Picado question 
When playing Picado, as far as I can tell, you play a string then rest your finger on the adjacent string, while bringing your other finger on top of the played string to stop it from resonating(getting the staccato sound). The only problem is when you switch strings while you're playing a run, it is very difficult to bring the other finger up to stop the played string from resonating, then bring it back down to play the next note on the string below. Or is this step skipped when alternating strings? Thus leaving some "ringing" notes?

Another question, this one probably more easy since I think I already know the answer: Is it ok to "sweep pick" when playing a picado run over different strings? IE: playing a string, then playing a different string with the same finger, where your finger just slides down to the next string. It is a very common technique with a pick in rock soloing, but is it good for flamenco?
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XXX

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RE: Picado question (in reply to ripxtide) 
1. question: this is an excersize. when playing you normally dont stop string from ringing
2. : we call it arpeggio. lol no serious now: why not take advantage from playing with fingers? yes sometimes you can make picado over different strings, but its, you might guess, limited

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sorin popovici

 

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RE: Picado question (in reply to ripxtide) 
no sweep,bad bad habit .....dont do it anymore

very very strict alternance i-m ,or m-a ,or i-a.
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RE: Picado question (in reply to ripxtide) 
How about the i-m-a that Grisha recently suggested?
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RE: Picado question (in reply to ripxtide) 
Nope Phrygus, I don't think he meant arpeggios. He meant to ask whether it's ok to use the same finger twice in picado. Understandable, because for example, it's easier to switch to a lower string with the i finger while it's easier to switch to a higher string with the m finger. This refers to what we call akward string crosses.

But to answer the question, most people I know say strict alternation is a must.

As for ima or ami, a good example would be Narcisco Yepes who plays scales with strict 3 finger cycles.

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ripxtide

 

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RE: Picado question (in reply to ripxtide) 
Thanks for clearing that up guys. Now the next thing I have to figure out is whether to play picado with straight fingers or bent, which looks like there's opinions on both sides of that so I won't hold my breath.
I've been playing with straight fingers mostly.

One last question: No matter which way you play picado, you always hit the next string down with the finger that just played a note right?
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RE: Picado question (in reply to ripxtide) 
Skai, I know. The " lol no serious now" should indicate that things mentioned before were not 100% serious.

rip, yes thats the whole idea behind apoyando

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Ricardo

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RE: Picado question (in reply to ripxtide) 
quote:

Or is this step skipped when alternating strings? Thus leaving some "ringing" notes?


That is correct, for decending runs (treble to bass) only. Don't worry about the over tones caused by the open string, it is a nice sound. Stacato is not just an "exercise", it is a musical thing. And if you listen close to PDL you hear him doing it quite frequently. It is part of the flamenco sound.

The sweeping thing is done frequently by Sabicas and others. Keep in mind it is not the same as economy picking because it only works for descending runs or string crossings from treble to bass. You don't have the luxury of doing that "trick" when doing runs in reverse (bass to treble) so it is logical to avoid doing it at all to train your fingers to have better control over alternation and rhythmic eveness. Again it is not really "wrong", but there is a logic for not doing it. Whatever you end up doing, make sure your fingers know what they are doing in advance, so you don't keep using different i-m combos for the same run. You will end up getting stuck or limited in the speed and control you can have.

Bent finger picado allows for a smooth transistion between sections of rapid tirando (free stroke) arppegio, and picado (apoyando scale runs). It certainly "looks" effortless for guys like M. Sanlucar and PDL, but speedy players like Paco Cepero have no problem shifting between straight fingers picado and arpeggios with perfect rhythmic control and speed. So, again, it is not right or wrong either way. If you are already comfortable, than stick to it. But don't be afraid to experiment a little too. Get some videos and practice in the mirror. Let your fingers find the most natural and comfortable way.

Apoyando=rest stroke, and tirando is freestroke. Picado is most often done as all apoyando, but there are often times where you can do sections of picado as tirando. The 3 finger thing done by Paco, Nunez and some others is often tirando.
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ripxtide

 

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RE: Picado question (in reply to ripxtide) 
Thanks a million Ricardo! The reason I'm asking all of this is because right now, I'm like a blank slate and I don't want to get any bad habits. Information like this will help me get things right from the beginning. Thanks!
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