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RE: Rodrigo & Gabriela, what do you guys think?
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bicharraco
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RE: Rodrigo & Gabriela, what do you ... (in reply to Leñador)
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Otro problema que veo en esto de la marca flamenco, es que los gitanos de fuera de Andalucía lo quieren coger como algo suyo, cuando no forma parte de su tradición musical. Ahora los gitanos de Galicia o Aragón se declaran flamencos porque "es que lo llevan en la sangre" y te los ves por la tele intentando hacer pasar sus rumbas como flamenco, o imitando a Camarón hasta en los gestos. Incluso hay gitanos franceses o portugueses que se dicen flamencos, supongo que dentro de poco veremos a gitanos búlgaros diciendo ser flamencos con pedigrí!!!! Estos gitanos forasteros saben tanto de flamenco como los fans de Ottmar Liebert, pero contaminan los comentarios de vídeos del youtube con insultos racistas, criticando a los no gitanos, ensalzando a los no gitanos y, lo mas divertido, creyendo que algunos artistas payos son gitanos mientras insultan a los payos (facepalm.jpg). Hace poco leí a una gitana catalana afirmar que el flamenco no tiene absolutamente nada que ver con andalucia En fin, que entre el flamingo guiri y los gypsi Kings estamos apañados...
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Date Apr. 28 2015 22:33:41
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Richard Jernigan
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RE: Rodrigo & Gabriela, what do you ... (in reply to estebanana)
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Some time in the 1980s my girlfriend said to me, "Richard, please take me to the flamenco show." I don't remember who the lead dancers were, but they were names I recognized. The show was in a good sized theater in San Francisco. The best seats I could get were at the front of the balcony. It was far enough from the stage that you couldn't really make out the faces of he performers very clearly. Things went pretty well. Then a cantaor stepped forward to sing soleá, without a microphone. As soon as he opened his mouth the sound filled the big hall. I muttered, almost silently, "Good God!" then just as quietly, "Ole, ole." I gestured to my girlfriend to lend me her little binoculars. She handed them to me and whispered in my ear, "Somebody special?" "Yes, somebody special. That's Chocolate." RNJ
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Date May 1 2015 18:40:26
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estebanana
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RE: Rodrigo & Gabriela, what do you ... (in reply to Richard Jernigan)
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Some time in the 1980s my girlfriend said to me, "Richard, please take me to the flamenco show." I don't remember who the lead dancers were, but they were names I recognized. The show was in a good sized theater in San Francisco. The best seats I could get were at the front of the balcony. It was far enough from the stage that you couldn't really make out the faces of he performers very clearly. Things went pretty well. Then a cantaor stepped forward to sing soleá, without a microphone. As soon as he opened his mouth the sound filled the big hall. I muttered, almost silently, "Good God!" then just as quietly, "Ole, ole." I gestured to my girlfriend to lend me her little binoculars. She handed them to me and whispered in my ear, "Somebody special?" "Yes, somebody special. That's Chocolate." RNJ Must have been the show called 'Flamenco Puro' which ran in a theatre downtown. Fernanda was in that show and Juan Habichuela....and a bunch of greats.
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Date May 2 2015 8:43:22
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estebanana
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RE: Rodrigo & Gabriela, what do you ... (in reply to Leñador)
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Here is a news clipping of a review which appeared in the LA Times for the same show when it played in LA: http://articles.latimes.com/1987-09-20/entertainment/ca-9304_1_flamenco-dancers The other dancers, were Manuela Carrasco, and Angelita Vargas, and as you know Farruco...the review failed to give the line up of all the guitarists, but I think Pepe Habichuela was also in the show. _____________ As for the important points made by three or four working guitarists that musicians need some popular entertaining music to bring to the stage, yes you nave to make a living and it's fine. You guys have artistry, taste, and background in fine music. You bring entertainment as a plus on top of that. Bands or groups like Gab & Rod seem to only bring the entertainment. For me, a listener who has been heavy into several kinds of music that requires deep listening, I find G&R super boring and the guitar solo against a rumba compas to me is really a super cliche'. I think this is all well and good and the general public is served by this and musicians can make money doing music. But in the end I want and need a deep music or art that has the power and gravity to grant a kind of redemptive journey through the music. And while I can respect anyone who can make it through the journey of navigating the music business, that is how I primary see the journey of that music they play. I don't get a deeper satisfaction or it does not challenge me to change myself in order to listen to it. Some music demands that you change yourself in order to get with it and allow it to take you on a journey, and the result is a redemptive feeling, a real liberation, some truth for the moment. And some music meets you where you are and does not make you step up and challenge yourself to understand it. The point of music is to operate as the former, but if the latter is needed as a part of the bigger vehicle, that's ok.
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Date May 3 2015 1:25:52
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