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Ricardo
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RE: Tuning by ear (in reply to Dudnote)
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ORIGINAL: xirdneH_imiJ I admit I haven't been following this thread very closely - but while there is an important discussion about how to tune (and make it sound like rocket science), there is an equally important aspect to it, as to what will get your guitar in tune the quickest while you're on stage and only have a few seconds to do it (without looking like a fool). My experience is that a combination of things works best (for me). ---------------------------------------0----3------------------ --------------------------------------------------1------------- ------------------------------------------0--------------------- -----------------------------7------2-------------------------- ---0---7------------------0-------------------3--------------- -5---0---followed by--5--------checking some octaves-- then making sure the most important chords (most often of course A and E) are sounding right. As Ricardo says it's always going to be a compromise, you will most often have to tune the G string slightly flatter than recommended by a tuner, and the high F# in the open D chord will sound funny as well if you don't leave the high E string just a hair lower. It doesn't really matter that much when you play an electric guitar with all kinds of effects, but I find it incredibly annoying when I hear a guitar out of tune... Thanks for the alternative. All this talk of beats is a bit lost on me because I miss beats all the time As another alternatve, if you focus on getting octaves of E and B lined up, ie tune to this chord 0 0 9 9 7 0 Followed by some other octave checks. Sounds OK to me. Anything with it sound bad to anyone else? It is contingent on how you fret up high...for example, I might think of "spreading" on this chord just a hair, between 7 and 9 frets ... vs other chords I might "pinch" to intonate them properly and relatively. Your method, is a bit better than say the one above yours...but still inferior to what I described as the best, for the reason of execution I just mentioned. It is not possible to spread or pinch so precisely as to not delude oneself into thinking you actually DID do that precisely enough to have OPEN strings in tune no matter what else you play. (IN other words, this works for string 6,2,1 only, and you might be seriously f ing up strings 5,4,3 unintentionally and to varying degrees every time you do it.) So keep the fingers off the dang fingerboard when tuning and you will be just fine with this or any other chord. Ricardo
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Date Apr. 17 2015 4:05:43
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Ricardo
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RE: Tuning by ear (in reply to Dudnote)
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ORIGINAL: Ruphus Hi Ricardo, Yes, Peterson´s sweetened tuning can only be as much valuable for default like the 4th/5th fret method. Agreed. Where we have to agree to disagree however is with the advice that you gave above, and I am in good company. Here for instance Paul Guy´s ranking of the different tuning methods: http://www.guyguitars.com/eng/handbook/Tuning/tuning.html And I think there is good reason why folks who master the method suggested by the Guild of American Luthiers and recommended by me in this thread is being preferred over the others. Fundamentals and (even more noticable) overtones just come together much better when individual proportions of the guitar are taken into consideration with the method used. Ruphus Nice article Ruphus! I like what he calls "my favourite method" because it minimises error propagation. Only because he is actually doing TWO methods, defeating the purpose of finding "the best way" to tune quick by ear...and I would say it's ironic in one paragraph he talks about compensation issues (fretting up high on uncompensated guitars results in sharper notes) and even admits in another topic about finger pressure causes variation (implying only the PLAYER tune his own guitar ), proceeds to describe a method using the 14th fret of the D string!!!! I would say this guy is always double checking and adjusting with his second method, negating the first part all together. And, at the end of day, probably plays out of tune anyway. He criticizes the open string harmonics method severly, and proposes that pro players cling to this method from hanging on to their beginner days. The only thing I agree with here was yes, it's no good to do the 4th fret harmonic on the G string...but I don't advocate that and most pros don't do that...we do what I said before 7th fret low E string for B string open, and 7th of A (or 5th of E string, it's abritrary at that point) for open E. It's super fast and acurate and far superior. Unless you use a tuner to get your 2 cents here and there just right. Ricardo
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Date Apr. 17 2015 16:44:33
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