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I think since in some albums you have just one great song or a few ones and then the rest of it is suposed to just be there to fill the album... So say here what have been the best piece that you have heard so far in each Palo. I would have to say:
Solea: ''Tomatito-Alquimia'' Taranta: there is one of montse cortes with PDL that starts with a tremolo...I dont know how its called but its amazing! Buleria: ''Impetu-overall'' ''Nino Miguel-Vinos y Caballos'' .Also there's one from Gnunez that starts slow and then i goes to some dimished arpegios but I dont know how its called... Granadina:''Vicente Amigo-Morente'' Zapateado:''JMCanizares-Se Alza la Luna'' Mineras: ''Vicente Amigo-Ventanas al alma'' but it's kind of modern though.
That's all I can remember right now, sorry if it's short, I'll check to put some more...I need a new brain
RE: Best piece in each Palo (in reply to carlos soto)
Zambra played by Paco Pena and composed by Nino Ricardo. I'll give you my guitar if you can find another zambra better than that one!
Tangos, a tie between Pena's Puerta Tierra and PdL's Solo Queiro Caminar. They're actually both very different but I love both tangos just as much.
I've a Paco Pena solo solea which beats all other solos I've heard.
His bulerias Solquema is wonderful, nothing exotic sounding. Almoraima by PdL is a favorite of mine but a little too filled with extra sounds.
Lastly, Mantilla y Peina is seriously an unbeatable guajiras. A pure guitar solo, traditional as I like it, beautiful and laid back. I prefer it too Guajiras de Lucia which just seems like a show-off track to me.
Lol I'm a Pena fan and I feel that my choices are honestly justified, especially if you're into slightly more traditional stuff.
RE: Best piece in each Palo (in reply to carlos soto)
tangos: como el agua camaron/paco/tomatito alegrias/cantinas: Barrio de santa maria camaron,la tarde es caramelo by vicente amigo, la barossa by paco fandangos: al nino miguel by riqueni, and montino by paco columbiana: one paco pena piece i have inherited on an unnamed tape 8^( farruca: silia y el tiempo brand new vicente 8^) buleria: rio de miel Paco
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RE: Best piece in each Palo (in reply to carlos soto)
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I just got Jucal of G.Nunez and Trafalgar is one of the best(to my taste) bulerias ever.
Yeah one of my favorites too, and maybe one of his favorites to play live. I always felt it was more like a classical piece until I saw him play it in my face, with so much strength, drive, and jerez flavor. These things don't always come through on a recording. Anyway, this type of bulerias is in a genre all its own, like Escudero's Impetu, Moraito's Vals-Buleria, and many other similar pieces where the rhythm and melody is maintained by arpeggios mainly. In fact there is a little quote in Trafalgar from Escudero's Impetu that you might notice.
Anyway, for me, the best versions or "standard" of each palo can be found on the successive recordings of Paco de Lucia. But ignoring that, there are some classics "hits" by other players (solo guitar I am talking about).
Rondena -Ramon Montoya Rondena (modern)- "Oracion" by Manolo Sanlucar Zapateado-Sabicas (en re) Minera-Tomatito Siguiryas-Nino Ricardo Siguiryas(modern)-Nunez "Remache" low B tuning. Solea por Bulerias-Nunez "Plaza de Arenal" Solea por Bulerias (mi bemol)-Vicente Amigo Taranta-Vicente Amigo Fandango de Huelva-Rafael Riqueni Alegrias (en Re)-Tomatito "La Ardila" Columbianas-Tomatito Tanguillo-Nunez Solea-Chicuelo Granaina-Sabicas Granaina (modern)-Amigo/Nunez, can't decide.
For me, the different tonalites of bulerias give each a different "aire". BULERIAS por medio-Moraito, Tomatito (Tio Nino Miguel), Enrique del Melchor La menor-Sabicas C#-Vicente Amigo "Mandaito" mi bemol-Nunez "Jucal" Por Rondena-Nino Miguel Por Rondena (modern)-Manolo Sanlucar "Tercio de Vara" (Nunez has 2 good ones also) Classical or Waltz style-Escudero's "Impetu" Classical/waltz (modern)-Nunez "Trafalgar", but also "Los Cano de la Meca", "amor de dios", "suite de la golondrina", and "Siempre es Tarde" by Nunez are great pieces also in this style. I'd say that is his forte.
RE: Best piece in each Palo (in reply to carlos soto)
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So say here what have been the best piece that you have heard so far in each Palo.
When you said the best piece, everbody assumed it was the best guitar piece.
I suppose I go on a bit about this, but flamenco is cante, no?
What about Tomás Pavón, singing "Tengo el gusto tan colmáo", especially the last letra, soleá de Frijones. Acompañado a la guitarra por Melchor de la Marchena.
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RE: Best piece in each Palo (in reply to carlos soto)
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When you said the best piece, everbody assumed it was the best guitar piece.
I suppose I go on a bit about this, but flamenco is cante, no?
What about Tomás Pavón, singing "Tengo el gusto tan colmáo", especially the last letra, soleá de Frijones. Acompañado a la guitarra por Melchor de la Marchena.
Sorry folks, just a little rant.
Well, we assumed it was not the best of cante for each palo, since YOU did not start the thread. And I assumed it was not the best danced palo, since dancing is not really music (footwork can be). But even still, my list has SOLO GUITAR specified.
So Sean, rather than "rant" , why not put your own definative list of the best CANTE version of each palo?
Sorin, it is called "Caminillo Viejo" from "Barrio Negra".
RE: Best piece in each Palo (in reply to carlos soto)
I don't know about best, but here's some of my favourites:
Buleria: Almoraima (PDL) and Los Canos de la Meca(G Nunes, which later evolbed into Calima). Tango: El Tarro de la Esencia (La Susi from Agua de Mayo) Zapatedo: Prefil Flamenco (Estaben de Sanlucar) Rumba: Sancti Petri (G Nunez) Tanguillos: Puenta de los aluandos (G Nunez) Solea: Son Lugares de silencio (Joaquin El Canastero) Solea por Bulerias: De Captoe (Manolo Sanlucar) Alegria: La Barrosa (PDL), Huellas de Gaviota (El Pele, V Amigo), Miragua (O Herrero) Farruca: Farruca de Lucia (PDL) Zambra: Fantasy (J Serrano) Segiriya: Luzia (PDL), Ramanche (G Nunez)
Seguiriyas Manuel Torre o Tomás Pavón: A clavito y canela Terremoto: De Santiago y Santa Ana
Martinete/debla Tomás Pavón: En el barrio de Triana
Soleá De Cádiz: Juan Villar, Cante profundo de Juan Villar De la Serneta: Fernanda de Utrera De Joaquin de la Paula: Manolito el de la María De Frijones: Tomás Pavón Soleá apolá: Fosforito/Paco
Bulerías de Cádiz: Chano Lobato
Bulerías de Jerez Terremoto
Fandangos Hay un sinfín, pero: José Cepero Niño de la Gloria: 2 estílos personales Terremoto: Que la besara en las manos José Millán: Fandangos de Macandé, La Calle de la Botíca
Fandangos de Huelva Paco Toronjo: cualquier Camaron: Calle Real de Alorno
Alegrías de Cádiz José Millán: La Calle de la Botíca
Romeras Niño del Mentidero: Bellos lugares de Cádiz
Malagueñas de Mellizo Rancapino
Tientos/tangos Manolo Vargas: cualquier María Vargas/Paco: Cuando por la calle va Camaron/Paco: Un toro bravo en su muerte
Levante Antonio Piñana: Antología del cante minero y levantino
Peternera Camaron/Paco: En la provincia de Caí Rafael Romero: Soy como fiel peregrino
Farruca María Vargas: Curro Belén
Serrana Rafael Romero: Yo voy cantando
Granaína Estrella Morete: Mi cante y un poema
Mariana Encarnación Marin, La Sallago: De Cádiz a Triana
Tanguillos de Cádiz Pericón: Subasta de cuadros antiguos
Villancicos flamencos Toma Castaña, vol 1: A tender
RE: Best piece in each Palo (in reply to carlos soto)
Admittedly still fairly new to Flamenco but I think Plaza Alta by PDL (on Almoraima) is an astounding Solea - the way it meanders along for about 3 mins and then suddenly takes off! Exciting stuff.
RE: Best piece in each Palo (in reply to carlos soto)
Wow Sean! now that's some list there!! You guys I just got the dvd of Vicente live from Cordoba!!! for those of you who don't have it I must say that just the intro of Callejon de la Luna is worth the price of the dvd!!!! anyway I think the solea Cordoba is a very interesting and original interpretation of a solea, right now my favorite solea, you guys should give a listen to it if you haven't.
Ole, now there is a list! I'd like to add Paquera for bulerias, Porrina for Fandango, and Maria Vargas Fandangos with Paco is amazing (a mi nino). And Paquera's Fandangos that turns into a bulerias (noche buena), know that one? And Caracol's fandango of course always good. (I like lot's of different fandangos). Malaguena by Terremoto jr is pretty powerful. There is one very special Siguiriyas live recording of Esperanza Fernandez. And Indio Gitano por Tangos. Aurora Vargas is good too por Tangos. Miguel Poveda does a great Granaina live, and Camaron always did a nice medlee of Cartagenera/Taranta/Minera etc....
RE: Best piece in each Palo (in reply to carlos soto)
I just stumbled on this thread.
I don't know about best and I won't go into it Palo for Palo but I vote that "Mediteranean Sundance" should definitely be declared the Holy Grail of all Rumbas.
Just as Juan Martin gave so many their start with his instructional books, the Paco - Di Meola - Mcglaughlin album(s) stole a lot of fire from the Metal Shredders and converted them to nylon string players.
I don't know about best and I won't go into it Palo for Palo but I vote that "Mediteranean Sundance" should definitely be declared the Holy Grail of all Rumbas.
Just as Juan Martin gave so many their start with his instructional books, the Paco - Di Meola - Mcglaughlin album(s) stole a lot of fire from the Metal Shredders and converted them to nylon string players.
2nd place for best rumba "Entre dos Aguas."
Stoney
Dude, the original Med sun IS Entre dos Aguas. Al di just composed that goofy intro, that's all, then they jam over Entre. Same form, am7 bm7 am7 B7 is al's part, then paco solos over Em,D,C,B. They don't even do the normal entre ending they go back to Al's goofy intro riff.
Unless you mean the live version which is a combo of Rio Ancho and Entre, again bookended by Al Di's signature riff. And Al's presence sort of kill the "rumbaness" of it cuz of how he does like rock guitar strumming. It is a fusion really.
A cooler fusion they do is "Chiquito" where they jam over Alegrias compas on some weird modern chord progression. The first true flamenco jazz "fusion" IMO.
And Al's presence sort of kill the "rumbaness" of it cuz of how he does like rock guitar strumming. It is a fusion really.
i felt the same way. paco did awesome accompaniment while al was shredding. when it was paco's turn al just did that boring up-down crap. it kind of killed paco's solos, imo.
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RE: Best piece in each Palo (in reply to henrym3483)
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el castillo moro by sabicas is probably the best zambra ever composed.
For those without a complete Sabicas collection and index to same: that’s from Flamenco Virtuoso, and is also included on his Grands Cantaores/Figures entry (Vol. 14)
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