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Florian

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From: Adelaide/Australia

RE: Group Tangos posted (in reply to Florian)

lol Thank you Josh and Phil :) you do the solea with us .

Great news guys I am happy to see that we gonna continue this.

I am totaly behind you Patrick, just pick the fret ,speed ,deadline and lets do this.

we can use a backing track (without having the backing track in the recording) to just keep us all in the same speed , or ! we can forghet about all beeing in the same speed and just do it libre.

u decide.

I think is a good idea if we spread the responsability of mixing the Group Numbers around, no1 because is nice to get other styles, visions and ideas, and no2 ..after you ve just mixed one , theres no way u wanna do another one yourself LOL, youl understand what i mean when your turn comes :)hehe

I will put my hand up again later , i would like to reserve a buleria or solea por buleria :) if possible.

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Patrick

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RE: Group Tangos posted (in reply to Florian)

Florian,

I have all the info under "Foro Flamenco Jam" thread. We are all set up and rocking and rolling. I decided to not do a backing track this time, just free form it and let people be creative. Backing tracks do add a lot, but they do tend to set limits. It's also a heck of a lot more work to edit with a backing track. Now you see the method to my madness.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 27 2003 6:10:21

Miguel de Maria

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group tangos ROCKS! (in reply to Florian)

I loved that, guys! Just listened to it, huge file, but worth it. Man, I got so much energy listening to you guys play with so much pasion! Great!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 27 2003 15:07:33

Thomas Whiteley

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RE: Group Tangos posted (in reply to Escribano)

Did I understand that Harold was sound engineer for the Beetles? By the was as I told Kate, my middle name is Harold.

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Thomas Whiteley

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RE: Group Tangos posted (in reply to Florian)

To Florian and all the Tango's players:

Great job of concept, playing and editing! I would have been there with you guys but too many things going on requiring me to be in Los Angeles, as just one example.

I was not able to log on yesterday as something happened. Simon suggested I lost my cookies or was that cookie?

I will do my best to contribute to the Sloeares or Solea (I use the former).

Is there a link about the details of the Soleares group number? What key will it be in - traditional E Phrygian? I learned a great Soleares in A phrygian from Mariano Cordoba, a key that was in common usage about one hundred years ago. Nothing remains the same!

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Miguel de Maria

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RE: Group Tangos posted (in reply to Florian)

Tom,
what's old is new and what's new is old. In Spain this summer I saw them playing solea (res) in A phrygian mostly. Of course, then to me it sounded like Solea por bulerias, which to me sounds just like a solea anyways...wait, now I'm getting confused.

I also learned several falsetas for bulerias in E phrygian, which works quite well and is nice. So I have solea, bulerias, and fandangos falsetas in E phrygian, and I'm thinking about cheating and just using them for a bulerias piece!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 27 2003 16:58:24

Patrick

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RE: Group Tangos posted (in reply to Florian)

Tom,

I see you found your way over to the Group Solea link. Yes we will be playing in traditional E.

Pat

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 27 2003 17:54:29

Escribano

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From: England, living in Italy

RE: Group Tangos posted (in reply to Thomas Whiteley)

Not sure about the Beatles, he played on "Love Hurts" by Jim Capaldi and was the sound engineer or producer for "10 Years After" when they were BIG, The Godfathers, The Pogues, Screaming Blue Messiahs etc. etc. I worked around Hendrix as well.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 27 2003 19:22:54

Phil

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RE: Group Tangos posted (in reply to Florian)

Tom said,

quote:

I learned a great Soleares in A phrygian from Mariano Cordoba, a key that was in common usage about one hundred years ago. Nothing remains the same!

In Mariano's instructional book, "A Folksinger's Guide to Flamenco Guitar," he says the same thing. That is, that "A" phrygian (por medoi) was the old of playing Soleas. Well, I naturally took that as gospel and was thoroughly confused when I kept hearing Soleas (not Bulerias por Soleas) played in "A". A couple of examples that come to mind are Morao accompanying Terremoto and Paco del Gastor accompanying Fernanda de Utrera por medio on CD's that I have. I found out when I moved back to Spain that Solea is routinely played both ways when accompanying singers. Once you get up to the 7th fret with the cejilla it's just easier to play por medio at the 2nd fret. Also some guitarists simply don't like the way the guitar sounds with the cejilla at the 7th fret or higher. So a Solea can be played "por arriba" or "por medio" depending on the singer's comfort range. Estela pointed out once that most women singers are usually within their range with the cejilla on the 2-4 fret por medio, which would mean the 7-9 fret "por arriba". I don't know where Mariano Cordoba came up with that explanation, but it doesn't seem to be in keeping with the facts. However, I've come to realize that things like this are often passed on without question and that the originator often meant something else, was misquoted, was mis-translated), or just misunderstood. He might have been referring specifically to solo concert style playing, for example. Who knows?

Phil

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 27 2003 19:56:14

Thomas Whiteley

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RE: Group Tangos posted (in reply to Phil)

Phil;

Who knows what is true in flamenco? I tend to believe Mariano as he was born 1924 and knows a bit about flamenco. I think I will give him a call and ask him for some details. It would be interesting to learn more. Even then people will believe what they wish.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 28 2003 0:06:34

Phil

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RE: Group Tangos posted (in reply to Florian)

Tom,

That would be fantastic if you could do that. I'm very interested in what he has to say. See my post "Some observations and a cante question or 2". Maybe you could ask him the other questions I have.

Thanks,
Phil

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 28 2003 0:20:01

Thomas Whiteley

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RE: Group Tangos posted (in reply to Phil)

Phil;

Perhaps we could get a "short list", and get Mariano's comments. Anyone else have any questions?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 28 2003 0:24:04