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RE: volume of a guitar
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Ricardo
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Joined: Dec. 14 2004
From: Washington DC
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RE: volume of a guitar (in reply to Tom Blackshear)
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ORIGINAL: Tom Blackshear That's the last I heard; obviously time changes things. I'll try and check back with my source to see what happened, if the brothers are now building their own guitars or maintaining an outlet for their factory models. If the guitars are good, then I can see the benefit of allowing factory made guitars to carry a Conde label. The brothers would hardly be able to build enough guitars to fill their orders. Lots of people "hear" stuff, the rest is inferred. "No way they can build that many instruments between two guys....Those boyd don't know how to build a guitar so they have Valencia do it all....I know a guy that knows a guy that knows a guy that saw them in Valencia at Sanchis shop....I was at sanchis shop and I saw some media lunas sitting around..." and so it goes. Here is what I know. Years ago we saw a Ricardo Sanchis Carpio stamp on the soundboard of an Atocha conde. The price of the conde was $1200. A hair inflated from a normal Sanchis at that time. Chicuelo plays an Atocha Conde that LOOKS identical to your typical 90's era Felipe V A26. Perhaps a mistake from Valencia and the guitar went to the wrong "show room" address? Busted? Hard to say for sure as we don't have hard proof, only hearsay and conjecture to go on. B models certainly are Valencia made, master guitars of the other shop are out sourced of course...so the real question is the A models of Felipe and Mariano Conde. Could it be possible that they actual KNOW HOW TO BUILD A GUITAR AND DO????? THe reason is, simply, the price discrepency. Valencia made condes cost about the same as Valencia made guitars with true valencia labels. But A models of the one and only Felipe V address have always cost a lot more. I played several TOP model Sanchis guitars, hand built and numbered by Sanchis himself, and they did not sound or feel the same as a good Conde A26 (I mean not as good even though the price was approaching Conde A models). I am still not 100% convinced. I have offered that perhaps the finish work is done by the same people hence a confusion of who is the builder, but most shoot me down on that right away. THis summer nunez invited FELIPE CONDE to our class to show his guitars and answer questions. Couple people did in fact ask for the straight answer "how could you guys have built so many guitars"...and take his answers as bold face lies. He now only makes two guitar models himself, and offers no student or B models anymore. He has a primera model and segunda model, that's it. Both were fine guitars. Except for the finish detailing I felt the guitar in same calibur of sound and feel as my A26 and others I have played. He says he built it. I asked if he finish it he said french polish only, he has someone do the synthetic lacquer. A friend in class leaned over and whispered in my ear at that moment "he is lying...he doesn't know how to finish a guitar. He and his brother tried to learn from sanchis but failed ha ha ha ....."....so I said how do you know he says, as usual "a friend of mine saw them in there by coincidence...."....hmmmmm. Ok I asked my friend, does sanchis build the whole guitar or what? He said, no, he builds the guitars then has Sanchis finish them for him.... So next I talked to his wife as the guitars were passed around and Felipe answered more questions. She seemed very serious guitar aficionado, admitted there was a fight between the brothers and they don't talk anymore etc etc. But I still find it hard to believe that they are just there traveling around taking time to show their guitars that they DIDN"T EVEN MAKE...just to fool everybody and steal their money. But of course I must admit it could be the truth. Only way to know is to document from start to finish a single instrument and see how it turns out and if it in fact is a good and typical top model conde as we pro players know them. IMO that would put it all to rest. Or vice versa....a FELIPE CONDE guitar constructed start to finish in Valencia if that is what's going on. Or perhaps both? So far, for me, jury is still out. The thing that doesn't add up for me finally is this...if Sanchis makes the A condes and always have, the ones that sold back then for 5k and now for 10k, and KNOW they make guitars that pros use that sell for 10K....WHY THE HELL don't they build an equivalent instrument with their OWN label on it? Are they not allowed? You would think they would simply out do em for their own reputation. The "reyes copy" is not better than the real reyes...but why is the "conde copy" so darn successful??? Makes no sense to me.
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