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RE: Holding the guitar (response to ... (in reply to Ramin)
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I used to play with one of the Gitano supports tha Ramin mentions. I liked it and you canget quite close to the position that the crossed legs give you. I don't use it any more, for two reasons: 1 It's a bit rough on french polish, and 2. I do now have the strength and flexibility to hold the guitar in the cross legged position and I have a better feeling of being one with the guitar, but the gitano support can halp a long way
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Date Nov. 24 2005 22:12:37
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Francisco
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RE: Holding the guitar (response to ... (in reply to Ramin)
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Hola todos, Ramin>>> It's been a while, but I thought about buying that support back in July when I first tried the traditional flamenco position. This position in the beginning, IMO, didn't allow me the closeness that the classical position did. I'm not able to cross my right leg, so I thought the support would help. Needless to say, I wanted to give the traditional position a fair chance, but unfortunately I think it may have contributed to injury in my left wrist to a small degree. As I stated in that post you quoted, I'm currently working on the position where the bottom of the guitar sits on the right leg. Juan Martin calls it the "tradional flamenco" position in his Solos Flamencos DVD, but if feels awkward. I think the support you recommend is an excellent alternative at this point, thanks for bringing it up. Anders>>> I'm hoping to have a handmade guitar with a french polish within the next couple of years, how could one protect the french polish? Perhaps a soft cloth between the guitar and the support? How did you gain the flexibility in your right leg to be able to cross it now? I've been trying to sit with my right leg crossed when I sit, but I noticed that when I do, I hae to lean back because of lack of flexibility to the point that I don't think it would be conducive to playing the guitar. Oh well, perhaps in time. Doitusujin>>>Interesting post amigo. The classical position has been good to me, no problems while in that position for quite some time, and I can last in that position for hours. Have you seen Carlos Saura's movie Flamenco? There is a guy that has a unique position. I'm not sure what his name is, but he does a duet with a female singer, who sings about a mariposa blanca. Anyway, he has the guitar almost vertical, and resting almost between his thighs. It looked kind of strange to me, but I couldn't criticize him once I heard how well he can play. I've tried it, but like placing the guitar on my right leg, it seems to be a balancing act that I can't get the hang of. I have to admit tho, if appearing cool to my peers was a priority, I would wear jeans, cowboy hat and cowboy boots, and play a twangy telecaster while singing songs about how my wife left me for my best friend. quote:
Doitsujin My right leg allways starts sleeping when I play longer in Pacos position... I would be really careful if this is true, Doitsujin. Look up intermittent claudication. Basically, it's when there is decreased circulation to a certain part of the body (calf in our case - due to the sharp angle of the knee), and results in the symptoms you describe. Another adverse effect of decreasing the circulation to that area of your body is the production of a blood clot due to the blood slowing down. If the blood clot travels, say to your heart or lungs, you will be living on borrowed time. Be careful, pain is your body's way of telling you somthing is wrong. stay safe, live long and prosper!
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Date Nov. 25 2005 1:01:35
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RE: Holding the guitar (response to ... (in reply to Francisco)
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Samwise. With respect of flexibility, you have to do streches. It takes time. Do some yoga or stuff, and also when you sit with the guitar with the legs crossed, lean forward to make that strech in your hip, that is difficult in the start. You cannot use a cloth between the gitano support and the guitar, the suction cups wont work. You can place a piece of tap plate where the suction cup stays. It looks a bit uggly. The Gitano has one problem. It's made for 10 cm wide guitars, meaning that the suction cups tend to be wider than the guitar and thus reducing their efectiviness a lot. There's another model very similar to the gitano on the market. Can't remember the name. I saw it some years ago on a webpage from a shop in Hamburg, Germany. It only has 1 big suction cup, which might be the solution. It was also a lot cheaper. Do a google search. The fact that it only has une cup, might make it work better on French Polish. Also for a good flamenco position on the right leg, place the support as close to the waist as possible. For a classical position, with the guitar on the left leg, place the support some 2 cm or 1" away from the waist. Good luck The guy in Saura's flamenco movie is Manuel from Lole y Manuel. Get a CD with them. It's very nice music. Lots of slow bulerias, and Manuel has his own style. They where a bit hippy hot in the 80th
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Date Nov. 25 2005 7:20:28
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