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revendel

Posts: 97
Joined: Dec. 27 2013

Hi from London!

I've been playing the classical guitar since I was 10. Decided around 2 months ago that Flamenco is the way to go, so am going through Juan Martin's method books. Almost finished Grade 0, its difficult to play it well with the right passion! This is going to take me the rest of my life.

Could someone clarify something for me? The Cepa Andaluza bulerias interpretation that Paco de Lucia played, was it originally composed by Nino Miguel? Or was he just playing Paco tunes?

And early Happy New Year wishes! I wonder how many years of flamenco 2014 makes.

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Leñador

Posts: 5237
Joined: Jun. 8 2012
From: Los Angeles

RE: Hi from London! (in reply to revendel)

Welcome aboard! It will indeed be a lifetime of study, which is great.

I'm very familiar with Nino Miguel's whole library and the song cepa andaluza by Paco. None of Paco's and Miguels stuff are related other then being the same palo. Does one of Miguels bulerias's sound the same to you??

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 27 2013 20:46:52

revendel

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Joined: Dec. 27 2013

RE: Hi from London! (in reply to Leñador)

I can't find it anymore but one of his videos on youtube, Nino played a bulerias and it sounded similar to Paco's Cepa.

Aside from that, I was wondering, how long should it take for one to master Cepa Andaluza? This track is my main motivation behind switching to flamenco.

When i first heard Asturias & Rec de Alhambra being played back when I was 10, that's what kept me going with playing the guitar in that, "I have to play that some day", "how is that possible on a guitar"?

I've seen several interpretations of Cepa on Youtube except they sound terrible. I only see that Grisha Goryachev pulls it off nicely. On a scale for flamenco, how hard is Cepa?

Furthermore, I also wanted some direction, it seems that there are two different ways I can approach flamenco, one of focusing on aire like Del Gastor's school and one of technical skill, like Paco

How do I decide which way to go?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 27 2013 21:17:48

Erik van Goch

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Joined: Jul. 17 2012
From: Netherlands

RE: Hi from London! (in reply to revendel)

Welcome to the foro and greetings from Holland. Cepa is pretty difficult (it takes years to a couple of lives) but don't let that stop you because results start with serious ambition. I studied/play 2 of it's falsetas myself. Both are also included in this bulerias (1:12 and 2:08). I own a better copy myself which i hope to upload one day. The right feeling is more important as technique but developing some serious technical skills can be quite rewarding. The trick is to have the skills and to use them to play with aire.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 27 2013 21:40:27

Leñador

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Joined: Jun. 8 2012
From: Los Angeles

RE: Hi from London! (in reply to revendel)

quote:

On a scale for flamenco, how hard is Cepa?

It's up there, maybe 9ish. It's an incredibly hard song to play well.

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Furthermore, I also wanted some direction, it seems that there are two different ways I can approach flamenco, one of focusing on aire like Del Gastor's school and one of technical skill, like Paco
How do I decide which way to go?

Really the two schools tend to come down to performing pieces of constructed music and being an accompanist, some people are great at both, some people focus on one.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 27 2013 22:04:38

revendel

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RE: Hi from London! (in reply to Erik van Goch)

Thank's for that! I've never come across this version on Youtube. Looks like this is going to be my life (or several lifetime) goal of flamenco, playing cepa like that!

I'm still getting used to the structure of this forum so apologies for asking questions in the wrong section. I currently use a classical guitar, with good sustain, the Rasgueados, come out very blurred which is not very motivational to playing flamenco.

I'm looking for a beginners guitar and was looking at the Admira 1959. Any negatives?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 27 2013 23:56:03

Leñador

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From: Los Angeles

RE: Hi from London! (in reply to revendel)

Does it have a golpeador? If it does, your styling.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 28 2013 6:35:00

revendel

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RE: Hi from London! (in reply to Leñador)

looks like it dosent! yikes! i've damaged my classical guitar with my golpes so I recently came up with an idea to make a golpeador. I bought one of the expensive, multi layered screen protectors for an ipad, cut it into shape and sticks beautifully to the guitar surface!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 28 2013 20:42:00

Leñador

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From: Los Angeles

RE: Hi from London! (in reply to revendel)

There's also a product called Kling-on that's made for just this purpose, you can get them from guitar salons website. But I bet you creative solution probly does the job.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 29 2013 4:03:41

revendel

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RE: Hi from London! (in reply to Leñador)

it does great for protecting against cosmetic damages however I've bought 2 more screen protectors and piled them one on top of the other. Noticed that golpeadors are actually pretty thick.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 29 2013 13:56:44