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el carbonero

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diego del morao sell 3 conde

http://www.flamencoguitarsforsale.net/es/guitarras-flamencas/usadas/f-conde-cipres-2011-diego.html

and 2 other felipe conde negra

go estebanana go to buy one

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davidheis_24

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Leñador

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RE: diego del morao sell 3 conde (in reply to el carbonero)

quote:

go estebanana go to buy one

Son muy amarillo pa' el. Le gusta las que estan mas naranja.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 21 2013 20:39:23

Ricardo

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RE: diego del morao sell 3 conde (in reply to davidheis_24)

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ORIGINAL: davidheis_24

sounds like s*hit

I don't know. No guitar sounds "good" in that room they film in. But the 2010 madagascar rosewood he plays siguiriyas on sounds pretty good to me.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 21 2013 21:45:21

tele

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RE: diego del morao sell 3 conde (in reply to davidheis_24)

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ORIGINAL: davidheis_24

sounds like s*hit

The guitar or that diego is selling guitars

personally I don't see much price difference between the other condes on their site comparing to these... The tomatito one however was pretty pricey.

I wonder if the crisis is behind him selling these guitars.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 21 2013 22:31:41

Harry

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RE: diego del morao sell 3 conde (in reply to el carbonero)

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I don't know. No guitar sounds "good" in that room they film in.

I have noticed this as well. These dudes need to get some new recording equipment. Also, I appreciate that the gentleman always plays the same piece so you can compare, but every guitar has that same muddy echoey sound. it is a shame because they seem to have some good guitars in stock and apparently they deliver worldwide.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 22 2013 0:50:14

orsonw

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RE: diego del morao sell 3 conde (in reply to Harry)

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they seem to have some good guitars in stock

I have visited Jordi at Solera, I found him a very helpful and good dealer. He's a serious flamenco aficionado, plays well and knows guitars. He had been dealing for several years within Spain before launching the international Solera site.

He is connected in flamenco circles and sometimes stocks ex-professional guitars. If the Solera videos don't help, you can often find these guitars being used in performance in youtube videos; some examples below.

(Of course nothing can match trying the guitar, distance buying without trying is never the best way!)

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 22 2013 8:47:18

el carbonero

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RE: diego del morao sell 3 conde (in reply to el carbonero)

First conde is very good!!

in the website diego play this conde,it's the 1990 conde hermanos.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 22 2013 10:13:59

tijeretamiel

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RE: diego del morao sell 3 conde (in reply to el carbonero)

It's a shame that places videos are so bad,

I came across some new videos of Sanchis Lopez 2F's - one blanca and one negra and the recording quality of the videos are so bad they both sound the same, thin and reedy.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 23 2013 7:08:08

Doitsujin

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RE: diego del morao sell 3 conde (in reply to el carbonero)

I would never consider buying a guitar when somebody smeared on the back with permanent marker... be it Diego be it Paco or even somebody important..

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 23 2013 8:30:27

el carbonero

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RE: diego del morao sell 3 conde (in reply to el carbonero)

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I would never consider buying a guitar when somebody smeared on the back with permanent marker... be it Diego be it Paco or even somebody important..

totally agree,me too.
but you can easyly quit this

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 23 2013 9:44:14

tri7/5

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RE: diego del morao sell 3 conde (in reply to el carbonero)

Interesting to hear him play in what I'm hearing is a standard tuning traditional style as compared to his typical altered tuning modern style.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 23 2013 12:22:08

Morante

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RE: diego del morao sell 3 conde (in reply to el carbonero)

Are these prices realistic? Some of them seem doubled up. And how can a Reyes Hijo be worth 8.800 when a Barba is priced at 3.800.

One of the best guitars I ever played was a Barba and El Niño de l Leo has retired a great 1992 Reyes Padre for one.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 23 2013 12:48:42

yohan71

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RE: diego del morao sell 3 conde (in reply to Morante)

I think you have got it wrong. On checking the barba guitar, I see that it had two cracks repaired. That might explain why it was sold at that price.
I've had interactions with Jordi (owner at that place); As orsonw said, he is a nice guy with good knowledge about flamenco guitars

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 23 2013 13:01:45

tri7/5

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RE: diego del morao sell 3 conde (in reply to Morante)

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ORIGINAL: Morante

Are these prices realistic? Some of them seem doubled up. And how can a Reyes Hijo be worth 8.800 when a Barba is priced at 3.800.

One of the best guitars I ever played was a Barba and El Niño de l Leo has retired a great 1992 Reyes Padre for one.

The old Barba's don't seem to command as much as the more modern ones. You'll see this in discussions here and from talking to several players that the 90's to current are considered his best and most consistent builds. That's not to say he didn't make good older guitars.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 23 2013 13:16:01

Harry

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RE: diego del morao sell 3 conde (in reply to el carbonero)

I have had my eye on the AF25 from 2003. However, the low price and even the new improved video don't really inspire confidence somehow. The guitar does not sound as full and rich to me as it should, and since I am nowhere near Europe, I just cannot risk buying the guitar sight unseen. C'est la vie.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 23 2013 13:48:17

Arash

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RE: diego del morao sell 3 conde (in reply to orsonw)

Is this a pedro de miguel which Carlos de Jacoba is playing in this vid (instead of the Conde which he used to play earlier and which is being offered for sale at the mentioned shop shop)? not sure.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 24 2013 11:34:16

orsonw

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RE: diego del morao sell 3 conde (in reply to Arash)

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Is this a pedro de miguel

Yes, in most youtube videos of Carlos de Jacoba he is playing this Pedro de Miguel.

e.g.

More recently he's playing a peghead don't know which maker?

But what I really want to know is what happened to David de Jacoba's album? He talked about recording it a while ago but I never heard of it's release and I cannot find it for sale?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 24 2013 12:58:34

Arash

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RE: diego del morao sell 3 conde (in reply to orsonw)

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ORIGINAL: orsonw

More recently he's playing a peghead don't know which maker?

first i thought, santos or some old conde.

now i am confused. check out the weird label.
what kind of a label is that?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 24 2013 17:53:05

tele

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RE: diego del morao sell 3 conde (in reply to el carbonero)

flamencoguitars for sale . net has good prices when you compare to other similar shops. Only thing they should do I think is improve the recordings quality so people could judge a better if buying the guitar without trying it in person first.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 30 2013 17:57:00

ToddK

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RE: diego del morao sell 3 conde (in reply to el carbonero)

They're using good mics for the videos. The problem is the room they're in.

They're sitting in a big dry walled corner. No sound absorption at all.

All we hear is the echo from the room, and barely any of the actual direct guitar sound.
The result is, all the guitars sound pretty much the same.

They need to treat the room with something to tame the ringing.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 1 2013 4:07:30

tele

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RE: diego del morao sell 3 conde (in reply to ToddK)

It seems like they use different setup for different vids?

http://www.flamencoguitarsforsale.net/es/guitarras-flamencas/usadas/f-conde-cipres-2011-diego.html

vs

http://www.flamencoguitarsforsale.net/es/guitarras-flamencas/usadas/barba-87-factura.html

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 1 2013 16:07:55

Harry

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RE: diego del morao sell 3 conde (in reply to ToddK)

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All we hear is the echo from the room, and barely any of the actual direct guitar sound.
The result is, all the guitars sound pretty much the same.

I totally agree. Perhaps this is a good thing because I would be draining my account so fast if these guitars sounded any better.

The clips where Juan Ramon Caro plays sound much much better, but most of those guitars are now sold. The two videos in this link really show the difference in sound quality. Hard to believe it is the same guitar.

http://www.flamencoguitarsforsale.net/en/flamenco-guitars/used-flamenco-guitars/hermanos-conde-1975-en.html

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 2 2013 11:18:02

tele

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RE: diego del morao sell 3 conde (in reply to Harry)

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ORIGINAL: Harry

quote:

All we hear is the echo from the room, and barely any of the actual direct guitar sound.
The result is, all the guitars sound pretty much the same.

I totally agree. Perhaps this is a good thing because I would be draining my account so fast if these guitars sounded any better.

The clips where Juan Ramon Caro plays sound much much better, but most of those guitars are now sold. The two videos in this link really show the difference in sound quality. Hard to believe it is the same guitar.

http://www.flamencoguitarsforsale.net/en/flamenco-guitars/used-flamenco-guitars/hermanos-conde-1975-en.html

I think it's because in the caro video you can see mic on the left, the same one as this:
http://www.flamencoguitarsforsale.net/es/guitarras-flamencas/usadas/barba-87-factura.html

I wonder why they don't setup the mic for all vids. it seems like the other vids are recorded with the videocamera microphone

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