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RE: emotion in music in general and flamenco in particular
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Brendan
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 RE: emotion in music in general and ... (in reply to annika.a)
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On hearing the first piece of music, I felt some levity, because it was pretty silly music, some smugness, because I know how that kind of tosh is made, musically how it achieves its effect, and some mild irritation at the thought of listening to nine more pieces of trivial music. I very much doubt that I am unusual in feeling levity, smugness and mild irritation on hearing some music. In fact, I'll stick my neck out and say that it's rare for a day to go by without some member of the foro expressing one or more of those in response to a musical performance. Also absent from the Geneva list of nine are anger, envy, admiration and surprise, all of which people here have expressed in response to music. This could go on.
I see that people on other forums have made the same point.
Also, I found this:
Evaluation of basic emotions in flamenco music
Author(s): Vukadinovic, M (Vukadinovic, M); Sakotic, J (Sakotic, J); Popovic, B (Popovic, B); Filipovic, D (Filipovic, D)
Source: INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL OF PSYCHOPHYSIOLOGY Volume: 45 Issue: 1-2 Pages: 159-159 Published: JUL 2002
Times Cited: 0 (from Web of Science)
Cited References: 0
Accession Number: WOS:000177095500408
Document Type: Meeting Abstract
Language: English
Addresses:
[ 1 ] Univ Novi Sad, Fac Med, Dept Physiol, YU-21000 Novi Sad, Yugoslavia
[ 2 ] Univ Novi Sad, Fac Philosophy, Dept Psychol, YU-21000 Novi Sad, Yugoslavia
Publisher: ELSEVIER SCIENCE BV, PO BOX 211, 1000 AE AMSTERDAM, NETHERLANDS
Web of Science Categories: Psychology, Biological; Neurosciences; Physiology; Psychology; Psychology, Experimental
Research Areas: Psychology; Neurosciences & Neurology; Physiology
IDS Number: 578AP
ISSN: 0167-8760
No idea of its quality.
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Date Aug. 15 2013 21:50:40
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annika.a
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RE: emotion in music in general and ... (in reply to Brendan)
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This discussion is getting so interesting.)
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I felt some levity, because it was pretty silly music, some smugness, because I know how that kind of tosh is made, musically how it achieves its effect, and some mild irritation
Let me make an example. For instance, your friend is a great guitarist. You went to a concert where he is performing La Catedral by Barrios. And something happened to him, may be he is nervous or distracted, but he starts to make a lot of mistakes. You will probably feel ashamed for him because of that. But can we say that the music by Barrios made you feel ashamed? It wasn't the music itself - it was the social situation - being in a concert, expecting to hear a top performance.
I think, smugness and irritation are the same thing, though it might be harder to understand. No composer writes music in order to produce smugness, irritation, or shame in listener. I think we should just find the right listener for each type of music in order to be able to judge, what kind of emotions this music induces.
For instance, if you listen to african tribal music, it might as well irritate you by being too loud, incomprehensible, sounding out of tune, but it just means that we europeans are not the right people to judge this music.
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Evaluation of basic emotions in flamenco music
Brendan, thank you for the reference, I tried to get this paper but this journal is not accessible to me. Anyways, the term "basic emotions" means they studied even less variety of emotions: anger, fear, happiness, sadness, tenderness (a common replacement for disgust in case of music, psychologists saying that people to not experience disgust as a response to music, but that's again the listener's taste question)
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Date Aug. 22 2013 8:45:32
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Brendan
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RE: emotion in music in general and ... (in reply to annika.a)
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Annika,
At the risk of adding to the douchebaggery: I don't think your clarification helps. I get it, you want to look at the emotive effect of the music itself, so we abstract away the social context. But for the same reason, the composer's intentions are irrelevant. I assure you, I am capable of being surprised, irritated, disgusted or delighted by the music itself, independently of who plays it, etc..
Something that might be going on here is that five of the nine emotions on the list do not normally have intentional objects (in the sense of Husserl, if that helps), i.e. they're not about anything. E.g. joyful activation is not usually about something, whereas one is irritated at x, smug about y, etc.. The other four are ambiguous in this sense (is 'amazement' here amazement-at, or a general sense of maziness?). So maybe one way to specify the scope of your study is to say: we're looking at emotions induced by music that don't have intentional objects. Then most (all?) of the absentees from the Geneva list will lie outside the scope of your study.
That still leaves the classification of listener-types, which I can't help with. Why are you carving the space of listener-types by musical genre, rather than by (say) attentiveness, genre-knowledge, playing experience, etc? Perhaps the deep difference is not between classical listeners and pop listeners, but rather between ignorant, inattentive listeners and attentive connoisseurs.
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Date Aug. 22 2013 23:05:26
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