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BarkellWH
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RE: FINE TUNING A GUITAR (in reply to Tom Blackshear)
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I don't have an answer for your post except that this deal doesn't hinge on your or anyone else's remarks. My post did not require an answer, and I certainly did not suggest, explicitly or implicitly, that the deal hinged on my (or anyone else's) remarks. I was commenting on the implicit suggestion you made that Manuel Adalid would somehow benefit from using your name and label in order to advertise his products. He may allow your name and label to be used on guitars he makes of your design (if, in fact, the deal is consummated) in order to give you credit, which would be understandable. But he certainly is well enough known for his skills as a luthier and for his fine guitars, that he does not need your name and label in order to enhance his already well-established reputation. Cheers, Bill
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Date Aug. 12 2013 17:30:50
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BarkellWH
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RE: FINE TUNING A GUITAR (in reply to Tom Blackshear)
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The label will read something like: Modelo 1 A Tom Blackshear Luthier Construido por Manuel Adalid San Antonio.....Valencia Ano....... And then I'll sign my name across the label to validate it. The Blackshear label will be one label provided for each guitar built. Manuel's whole idea is to use my person and name to advertise the new model. This will be my last comment on the subject, as I sense this thread reaching the level of farce. The above-cited quote, taken from your earlier post, suggests a degree of self-flattery that is not often seen. In the first place, why on earth are you publicly revealing details about how you will label and sign the guitars, as well as what Manuel is going to do (Pay you a visit? Take classes? Make your guitars?), when, as you state, the deal isn't even consummated? Manuel, by the way, may have something to say about how the label will read, assuming the deal is consummated. Serious people in the middle of negotiations don't publicly reveal that the negotiations are even taking place, much less details about how they envision the end result, unless they are attempting to impress. They certainly don't go on fora revealing it to the world! I'm sorry, but it seems to me that you are flattering yourself. Bill
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Date Aug. 12 2013 23:05:02
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Tom Blackshear
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RE: FINE TUNING A GUITAR (in reply to BarkellWH)
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I'm sorry, but it seems to me that you are flattering yourself. Bill, what do you do for a living? My living is making guitars and chat lists are mainly free advertising. Some people think it's funny to be a little controversial, as controversy sells, to some extent :-) There are a few opinionated people on this list, some builders and some players, with aficionados on occasion. But we all try and have fun. My understanding, as a maker is that, call me anything you want just call me :-) No hard feelings man...I'm just letting people know how the situation is going. And after the class, I'll be happy to share what we did, or maybe not such a good idea...
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Date Aug. 12 2013 23:26:44
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Tom Blackshear
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RE: FINE TUNING A GUITAR (in reply to Ricardo)
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The real interesting thing will be this... what does tom's tuning REALLY change about Adalid's sound, and secondly, will Adalid truly learn the technique and be able to apply it in his factory to justify the price? Ricardo, you are very astute in your reasoning about this project. All I can say, at this time, is that Manuel is scheduled to come take a fine-tuning class at my shop this September 2013. Also, that there is a noticeable difference and change of voice with my fine tuning. Mainly a change for the better, and this is what Manuel has noticed and feels it will benefit his work. And, as to whether he will grasp the technique fully, is not for me say but I hope for the best, and I will certainly give him my best. Also, his guitars, for this venture, are built with better woods and higher priced tuning machines, along with high level cosmetics and French polish. What I think about the pricing is none of my business right now but I hope them to be $10,000 quality for a mid priced pocketbook. But I can only hope...
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Date Aug. 13 2013 19:13:40
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FlamencoD
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RE: FINE TUNING A GUITAR (in reply to Tom Blackshear)
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I still haven't decided which way I lean at this point in this venture for you Tom. I don't have any allegiance to any one builder here, as I play a Navarro Concert blanca (his Flamenco, not the Reyes) which I love. It does seem that after 53 years of building you're not getting enough compensation for your work on these guitars, or your name being used on them. I am glad you cleared the labeling up, they seem to be more accurate now with the update you shared the other day. The guitars on Savage's website look really nice, I'd love to try the blanca out. You probably considered this, but what about an apprentice, working in your shop under your supervision? Making the main parts of the guitar, doing the heavy lifting, and you doing the lighter stuff, fine tuning, final neck shaping, finishing, etc. Seems you could sell them as a 2a guitar for continued transparency, although your customers likely want a "real" Blackshear, entirely made by you. You'd have to pay the apprentice, so that would hurt the bottom line, but maybe it would make it up with fulfilling orders/demand. Just a thought.
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Date Aug. 14 2013 13:36:07
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Tom Blackshear
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RE: FINE TUNING A GUITAR (in reply to Ruphus)
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Now, only slap the resellers on their back-head and let these lovely axes reach to consumers for around 5 grands, and I bet they will go out like warm rolls. I agree that $5,000 for a high quality guitar would sell like hot cakes but let's be reasonable about it. Unless we cut corners with wood quality, finish, tuning machines, and retail fees, it would be hard to get there. However, as James Bond would say; "Never say never again." The current factory pricing is more than you suggest, so Manuel and I will have a serious talk about the pricing when he arrives here in San Antonio this September, for a class.
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Date Aug. 14 2013 15:05:25
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