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SLJ

 

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Is this flamenco? 
I searched and theres nothing about Tiberieu on here. Is this considered flamenco? I saw some of his other vids where he accomp. a singer. That I think is true flamenco. But this jamming,, stuff I love but not sure what it would be considered.
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athrane77

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RE: Is this flamenco? (in reply to SLJ) 
They are using flamenco-technique.
Is it flamenco or not? It's music, if you like it play it! Search for rumba lessons on youtube (there is plenty of that stuff)
technical-wise you should learn picado and rasgueado techniques.
and you'll be done.
No problem to play rumba,
it's fun and some pieces are really beautiful. As I said, if you like that, learn it
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Guitarsid

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RE: Is this flamenco? (in reply to SLJ) 
I am not qualified to answer you but would like to comment and hope that is
ok, keep in mind that my main experience with flamenco is just listening and
am now in the process of learning to play, and I am a rank beginner in that regard.
I have seen the first guy in other street performances and he is excellent.
He does seem to be proficient at executing the techniques common to flamenco, but it sounds more like jazzy Spanish or Latino flavored upbeat type of music. To me flamenco proper has a darker, more passionate and dramatic sound which is accented heavily by the unique beat cadence. That is just an observation, I really like it as well and very much enjoyed it too.
Experts feel very free to correct my opinion here as I would be interested if I have gotten the wrong impression.

edit: ok, I see it is a rumba so I guess it would be flamenco.

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Leñador

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RE: Is this flamenco? (in reply to SLJ) 
It IS rumba, whether or not rumba is real flamenco is a subject of much debate on the foro.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 8 2013 15:40:37
 
athrane77

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RE: Is this flamenco? (in reply to SLJ) 
To me Rumba is an important thing in flamenco real life. They play so much rumba on juergas, there is no authentic flamenco-guitarist who can't play rumba.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 8 2013 15:52:47
 
SLJ

 

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RE: Is this flamenco? (in reply to SLJ) 
thanks for your replys, this rumba kinda seems like a Spanish flavored blues, Im sure that's putting it too simply, but the jamming aspect seems like jamming over a 12 bar. 12 bar blues/rock I understand.
thanks
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 8 2013 15:55:00
 
Guitarsid

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RE: Is this flamenco? (in reply to SLJ) 
I have a question for a flamenco expert, at 32 seconds into the video, the first guitarist reels off a triplet series. It caught my attention because that little passage seems like a relatively very rare thing in flamenco, at least traditional flamenco. Am I off base or what do you think? thanks sid

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Ricardo

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RE: Is this flamenco? (in reply to Guitarsid) 
quote:

ORIGINAL: Guitarsid

I have a question for a flamenco expert, at 32 seconds into the video, the first guitarist reels off a triplet series. It caught my attention because that little passage seems like a relatively very rare thing in flamenco, at least traditional flamenco. Am I off base or what do you think? thanks sid


Well, they are jamming on rumba. In a transcription of Tomatito buleria by Faucher, he points out this phrasing as "crochet triplets" where they are against the groove triplets that practically have to cross the bar line (the way he writes buleria anyway). Dimeola always did those types of rhythms when soloing and lets be honest, since the guitar trio days flamenco has changed a lot due to those influences. While you don't hear it much in traditional flamenco, since Tomatito's first album, it is pretty standard thing in modern flamenco. Manolo Sanlucar for one makes very interesting use of these slow triplet phrases, and sounds nothing like jazz either. But these guys in the video are rehashing the guitar trio thing obviously.

Check out 2:21-2:26

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 11 2013 19:24:50
 
Guitarsid

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RE: Is this flamenco? (in reply to Ricardo) 
I see what you mean, thanks a lot Ricardo.

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