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Escribano

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Carpenter carves functioning watches entirely from wood

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329082/At-oak-time--Carpenter-carves-functioning-watches-entirely-wood.html

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 22 2013 18:40:40
 
keith

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RE: ...and you thought lutherie was ... (in reply to Escribano

i own and wear a few swiss made mechanical watches and have an appreciation for mechanical watches (auto wind and hand wind) and i have to say this guy's watches are beyond awesome. i would love to own one of these just to see the movement. it would be interesting to see the longevity of these watches.

of historical note, john harrison who built the first chronometer to be used to calculate longitude was a carpenter who built clocks out of wood. the chronometers that made him famous (H1 - H4) were metal given humidity issues at sea. for those interested about mr. harrison there was an interesting book published a few years back about the chase to find a reliable procedure for calculating longitude.
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Richard Jernigan

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RE: ...and you thought lutherie was ... (in reply to keith

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ORIGINAL: keith
of historical note, john harrison who built the first chronometer to be used to calculate longitude was a carpenter who built clocks out of wood. the chronometers that made him famous (H1 - H4) were metal given humidity issues at sea. for those interested about mr. harrison there was an interesting book published a few years back about the chase to find a reliable procedure for calculating longitude.


One such book is Dava Sobel's "Longitude".

I'm old enough to have begun sailing long before GPS, or any other satellite navigation system was in place. The LORAN system, with land based transmitters, was operational from the early 1940s, but its coverage of the globe was incomplete, and it required an expensive receiver, so we learned celestial navigation. You have to have a good chronometer to do celestial the normal way.

Actually, there was a way of finding the time before the chronometer became reliable. It is called the lunar method. With a sextant you measure the motion of the moon among the stars. Time can be determined accurately enough to navigate.

But the lunar method was complex and difficult, deemed to be beyond the capacity of the average mariner, so it was not widely used, perhaps not even widely known.

Joshua Slocum, the great American sailing captain, was the first to sail single handed around the world. The end of the era of the great sailing ships came during Slocum's career. He was left unemployed. Someone gave him the hulk of a sloop, which Slocum rebuilt from the keel up. After failing at fishing, he hit upon the scheme of sailing alone around the world, writing paid articles for newspapers, to repair his fortunes.

Slocum couldn't afford to have his chronometer refurbished, so he navigated by the "lunars". He had a wry sense of humor, and kept onboard an old tin alarm clock which he showed to newspaper reporters at various ports around the world, claiming that he navigated with it. At one point he claimed that his alarm clock had stopped, but functioned perfectly after he boiled it.

"The want of a chronometer for the voyage was all that now worried me. In our newfangled notions of navigation it is supposed that a mariner cannot find his way without one; and I had myself drifted into this way of thinking. My old chronometer, a good one, had been long in disuse. It would cost fifteen dollars to clean and rate it. Fifteen dollars! For sufficient reasons I left that timepiece at home, where the Dutchman left his anchor."

"At Yarmouth, too, I got my famous tin clock, the only timepiece I carried on the whole voyage. The price of it was a dollar and a half, but on account of the face being smashed the merchant let me have it for a dollar."

"Sailing Alone Around the World" by Joshua Slocum

I don't recall Slocum mentioning the lunar method in his book, though it was reliably reported that he used it on his epoch-making voyage.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 22 2013 21:44:27
 
keith

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RE: ...and you thought lutherie was ... (in reply to Richard Jernigan

richard--the sobel book is the book i read. i was quite impressed with how mr. harrison and son battled with the english government after they continued to withhold him his just rewards.
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TANúñez

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I made one yesterday

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BarkellWH

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RE: ...and you thought lutherie was ... (in reply to Richard Jernigan

Dava Sobel's "Longitude" is a superb history of the attempts to determine longitude. And it is a fine account of John Harrison's efforts to develop the marine chronometer. I had the great good fortune to see John Harrison's marine chronometers (H-1 to H-4) on a visit to England in 2004. they are on display at the National Maritime Museum at the Royal Observatory in Greenwich, about 1 1/2 hours from London by boat on the Thames. Well worth the visit. Also on display, among other nautical items, is the uniform Lord Nelson was wearing when a French sniper shot and mortally wounded him at the Battle of Trafalgar. But the highlight are Harrison's marine chronometers. You can also straddle the Prime Meridian.

Cheers,

Bill

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 23 2013 1:52:41
 
hamia

 

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RE: ...and you thought lutherie was ... (in reply to Richard Jernigan

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ORIGINAL: Richard Jernigan

"Sailing Alone Around the World" by Joshua Slocum

RNJ


I discovered this book some months ago (probably started out searching something completely unrelated on Wikipedia!) and it's a very compelling read. He drowned on a trip to the West Indies and according to Wiki he couldn't swim! Not sure if I entirely believe that.
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estebanana

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RE: ...and you thought lutherie was ... (in reply to Escribano

Is this the same guy who the Sobel Prize is named for?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 23 2013 5:05:36
 
Escribano

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RE: ...and you thought lutherie was ... (in reply to keith

Yeah, my understanding was that Harrison found wood to be naturally lubricating and less prone to distortion.

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gerundino63

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RE: ...and you thought lutherie was ... (in reply to Escribano

Wow!
i like watches........

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guitarbuddha

 

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RE: ...and you thought lutherie was ... (in reply to estebanana

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Is this the same guy who the Sobel Prize is named for?


Maybe you're getting him confused with the guy who invented a watch without chimes..............(double groan).

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 23 2013 11:27:34
 
estebanana

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RE: ...and you thought lutherie was ... (in reply to Escribano

All along the Watchtower,
the luthiers began to howl.

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sig

 

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RE: ...and you thought lutherie was ... (in reply to keith

Keith,
I too, like Swiss made watches and especially automatics. Unfortunately my passion for flamenco and guitars has limited my budget for a nice automatic watch. I do own a Cyma sports style watch but its a quartz. One day perhaps I'll be able to treat myself to a nice Oris automatic diver watch.

I'm also a sailor so I truly appreicate the story of John Harrison and saw a Discovery or TLC show on him some time ago. Today's sailors have GPS, chartplotters etc... for navigation so its much easier to not get lost as compared to using old school techniques. I can't even imagine sailing across an ocean using a time piece and celestial navigation methods. I'm pretty much a coastal sailor so its not as critcal to my needs but a person should know how to read a compass and a chart just in case the the technology fails, which it will at the most inopportune time...
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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 24 2013 16:12:15
 
keith

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RE: ...and you thought lutherie was ... (in reply to Escribano

sig--the story about why england launched (pun intended) the longitude calculation project was in itself pretty interesting. you are right about the things we take for granted today. it amazes me how luthiers of old had no a/c, de-humidifiers, power tools and even good lighting yet were able to produce some awesome instruments and enough instruments during crappy months (high humidity or low light) to at least survive.
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Richard Jernigan

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RE: ...and you thought lutherie was ... (in reply to BarkellWH

quote:

ORIGINAL: BarkellWH

Dava Sobel's "Longitude" is a superb history of the attempts to determine longitude. And it is a fine account of John Harrison's efforts to develop the marine chronometer. I had the great good fortune to see John Harrison's marine chronometers (H-1 to H-4) on a visit to England in 2004. they are on display at the National Maritime Museum at the Royal Observatory in Greenwich, about 1 1/2 hours from London by boat on the Thames. Well worth the visit. Also on display, among other nautical items, is the uniform Lord Nelson was wearing when a French sniper shot and mortally wounded him at the Battle of Trafalgar. But the highlight are Harrison's marine chronometers. You can also straddle the Prime Meridian.

Cheers,

Bill


Once in a while, taking a taxi from Heathrow downtown, I would get a true Cockney cab driver. He would speak in an utterly incomprehensible dialect, and glance in the mirror, as though expecting a reply. At last he would relent and revert to more or less standard English, with an impish grin.

My favorite Cockney episode was on one of those excursion boats from Westminster Stairs down to Greenwich. It was a favorite sightseeing trip for new people on our British jobs. Besides Greenwich, you get to see the whole historic part of London from the river. In this case the announcer on the P.A. system began by saying he was a true Cockney "born underneath the sound of Bow bells."

On the way downriver he recited the famous poem that begins,

"The noble Juke of Wellington
was almost rejuced to a skellington..."

But best of all was when he announced, "Lydies 'n Jint' lemen, on yer lef' han' side izza Billingyte Fish Market, ve on'iest plyce onna fyce of ve Earf where the Inglish langwidge is correc'ly spoke."

"Billingsgate" entered the language long ago as a reference to the raucously profane, obscenely abusive speech of the fishmongers, who sell fish at the famous market on the Isle of Dogs in East London.

Also at Greenwich are Cutty Sark, the fastest of all the great clipper ships, Gypsy Moth, the little sailboat of Sir Francis Chichester's solo circumnavigation, and the noble Christopher Wren buildings of the the Royal Naval College.

Well worth the trip.

RNJ
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