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Arash
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Joined: Aug. 9 2006
From: Iran (living in Germany)
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RE: what tuners are these ? (in reply to suniram)
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Those Derjungs that i tried to tune, REALLY SUCKED , extremely incosistent, not smooth at all, we took them off just to see if there is something wrong with the guitar holes or something else, since this was the case with different guitars and not only one... installed another tuner on the guitars and no problem- as soon as those derjungs were installed, strung and under pressure from strings, they were like ****. Worst piece of crap i have ever touched. Specially the right side (treble strings). They just look fancy. Thats all. After all they are chinese and i always prefer european, american or japanese quality over chinese. I wouldn't recommand luthiers to use them, stick to gotoh or whatever, even if you have to pay $10 more . Also chinese tend to give ok quality at the beginning to attract attention, and as soon as they get a little "famous" and have a customer base, the quality decreases to total crap quality until people start to complain, and then they get a little better again and so on and so on... not worth the few dollars you save. Also i don't trust their quality control in their factories. You might be lucky and get good ones or unlucky and get the crap batch. I am not a luthier, just a player who had experience with three of these derjungs and all were of crappiest quality ever. Also lost our time and lot of headache trying to find out whats wrong. Give me a simple looking gotoh that runs smooth anyday. By the way, going to buy one of these aluminum ones for my blanca. Saw it in the music fair and had it in my hand. Weighs nothing. (i will take ebony knobs instead) http://www.g-gotoh.com/international/?btp_product=35g510s
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Date Apr. 24 2013 16:05:26
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Ruphus
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RE: what tuners are these ? (in reply to Anders Eliasson)
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Hey Arash, you must be meaning these. If you click on the arrows of the left first window on http://www.gitarrenmechaniken.de/mechaniken/mechaniken.html the pic will show up. You can then display it with different knobs in the right window. Before eventual order one should aks him about versions not shown on the website, and remember that torque can be had to desire. ( Klaus supplies them stiffer than they can be, for as he says, too light torque makes people think there was something broken. hehe ) Precision tuning with these is a dream. - But I will have to skip a new purchase. ( Euro is four times more expensive from here and Klaus will just grant no discount, as he confirmed to me yesterday again. :0/ ) Will have to swap last set to the future guitar. quote:
ORIGINAL: Anders Eliasson I dont know how much experience you have with this or if its pure theoretical speculation. My opinion, based on experience, is that if a flamenco guitar needs what you argue, then the problem was the builder. Classicals are another story bacause its a different guitar with different sound esthetics I picked that from highly educated colleagues of yours. And as I envision from common physics, it seems to makes sense in general. As you correctly figured it was about classicals. Interesting how you pinpointed that, eventhough there exist flamencas with slow tops too. Otherwise I think to see what you mean with the difference, when it is aimed for sustain and depth with classicals through mass in certain areas. ( Correct?) Ruphus
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