RE: Vicente's new album "Tierra" is out!!!

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Morante

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RE: Vicente's new album "Tierra... (in reply to JJ)

¿Quien es el cantaor?

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suniram

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RE: Vicente's new album "Tierra... (in reply to Morante)

el mismo canta...

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mark indigo

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RE: Vicente's new album "Tierra... (in reply to Sr. Martins)

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even players like Tomatito seem to cram chords just for the sake of variation without paying much attention to voice leading.. it ends up sounding like short clusters of sound that go nowhere.

Ricardo was saying in another thread recently about Tomatito's style being related to cante accompaniment, playing short falsetas that could come between letras, that are unrelated to each other, so you don't get a "piece" that develops (or that's what i understood him to be saying).

I understand flamenco to be primarily rhythmic and cyclical (compas) and secondarily melodic, and modal (cante), so harmony where used is kind of bolted on. It doesn't necessarily fit with classical or jazz theory, even if some chords are borrowed from those genres.

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Sr. Martins

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RE: Vicente's new album "Tierra... (in reply to mark indigo)

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I understand flamenco to be primarily rhythmic and cyclical (compas) and secondarily melodic, and modal (cante), so harmony where used is kind of bolted on. It doesn't necessarily fit with classical or jazz theory, even if some chords are borrowed from those genres.

I feel that the theory should be used to "fit" the music, not the other way around but I get your point.

When talking about instrumental flamenco records, I prefer the ones where the songs have a flow but I also enjoy the ones that are very falseta-based. What I meant is that in Tomatito's compositions the falsetas dont seem to develop within themselves. They are very rhythmic thats for sure but instead of having a flow within themselves they sound more like "here's a chord, two melody notes, another chord on the up beat, three other random notes.."

I just cant seem to find the turning point because with Camaron his falsetas were like little songs within themselves, statements if you prefer. On his albuns the falsetas are more like a soccer player who wants to drible and do lots of tricks and forgets where the goal is.

In the end its just a matter of taste and maybe one day I'll enjoy this too.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 29 2013 22:48:29