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RE: Rumbas y los demás cosas.
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Anders Eliasson
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RE: Rumbas y los demás cosas. (in reply to Anders Eliasson)
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Ricardo and Bursche, its so much easyer to do so when you dont live here... You dont see the everyday life. If you go to your little incrowded group, then you see and live flamenco. Its like all kinds of microkosmos. And you might not see what is around you. What I´m talking about is much more general and a much more open perspective. I´ve lived in Andalucia for close to 12 years now and there´s a lot less flamenco now than 10 years ago. Less shows, less people playing/singing/dancing. A lot less But what I have disliked even more is another thing. I´ve been a member of 3 peñas over the years and I happily drove to town 2 times a week to play with singers. Once a week to play with the older amateur singers and once a week to accompany the singing classes. The older singers were more interested in getting drunk and having the same discussion about Camarón and Mairena every time. Very little singing and playing. So I stopped. In all 3 peñas happened the same in the singing classes. The young pupils only wanted to do flamenco light, like in the video by Bursche. Some Potito, some Estrella morente etc. Only Tangos, Rumbas, Bulerias, Fandangos de Huelva and Alegrias. They didnt want to do Cante Jondo. Not at all. Once the teacher gave all a Granaina and after a month, noone had learned a letra, so he asked why... And the answer was that it was ugly... So, in all 3 places I stopped. 10 month ago, I stopped playing flamenco because I felt my time was over. And yes, I will sit back very soon and relax and then you wont have to read my posts about flamenco. Because I have a feeling that is growing and has been doing so for a couple of years, that this place is not for me. Its not where I belong. I have very often been told that I was only on this forum in order to sell guitars, so very soon, it´ll be like that. I will only be in the Luthiery and classifieds section. And maybe I wont even be there.
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Date Jan. 11 2013 15:11:12
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Morante
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RE: Rumbas y los demás cosas. (in reply to Anders Eliasson)
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Anders Tienes toda la razón. I've lived in Andalucía for 20 years and flamenco in Cádiz has almost disappeared. In 1999, we had juergas every night with Juan Silva: I ended up making his one and only record. Then I had juergas, weddings, communiones etc playing for José Millán. Now Juan has lost his voice after a throat operation, José is dead. There are no juergas anymore because the generation of juerguistas has disappeared. There are great young singers from gitano families in the barrio, such as May Fernandez, who wants to make a record like la Niña Pastori, or Jesús el Bohiga, who wants to make a record of flamenquito. And nobody wants to sing all night for afición like before. Not for nothing I have stopped making records and stored my flamenco guitar. All of the professionals from Cádíz live in Sevilla and make their living from playing in dance companies, which is the only kind of "flamenco" that foreigners seem to understand. Were it not for the gitano families of Jerez and some from Lebrija, el cante would be dead already.
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Date Jan. 11 2013 17:00:01
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Ricardo
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RE: Rumbas y los demás cosas. (in reply to Anders Eliasson)
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Ok, before we put the gun in our mouths guys let me just say something. Yes, they don't sing like they used to. But, the simple fact that someone like myself could investigate this thing as an outsider, seeing from the outside in what happened along the way and acknowledge that in the old days singers were more skilled and had the heart for it too, and develop or change my tastes for the stuff, even at my not so tender age, gives me confidence that somewhere IN SPAIN there are infact youngsters that have the same thought and feeling as me. All it would take is one person with the drive and charisma to influence his "crowd" to investigate and do better, investigate the old stuff and try to really do it well and at the same time add new personal details. ONce the "new thing" gets dried up, and it will I promise, there WILL be a revival. Internet resources such as norman's site with clear organized easy access examples could totally inspire a young person to investigate and save time to develop the skill. I saw that guy Jesus Mendez develop before my eyes one summer to the next from a kid that only sang some buleria (and the same old letras over and over at first) to a first rate cantaor (relatively speaking for the age he began getting serious). Flamenco was ALWAYS done by amateurs historically, it's ok that perhaps these days the same conditions are not present as in 1850. But if it interests ME then I KNOW it interests others and it's only a matter of time before a hero will come along and revive this thing you guys feel is "dead". Ricardo
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Date Jan. 11 2013 17:10:29
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