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Well here I will upload some typical Andalucian Rumbas. They are all considered Rumbas and they are not considered flamenco: Here we go. Enjoy.
Los del rio... Super famous rumberos:
And here you have the real thing : el coro rociero. This is what you will find in village partys all over andalucia. For each flamenco you´ll find 100 of these. My village is full of them.
And one more. These are better. From a school:
Los delinqüentes... Here we are much more flamenco because they have invited their friends over to have a smoke.
And finally Estopa. They are really big in Spain. They are from Cataluña
The Coro Rociero's seem to be the most tolerable but I'm still not feelin it. Los Del Rio?!?!.........ugh, i was so glad when the macarena died.....and Thomasito irritates me. I'd love to hear what people would call good flamenco rumba, other then entre dos aguas, that's maybe my least favorite Paco song..........next to his latin american covers. It is fun to jam with friends though, like baseball, fun to play, not to watch....sorry.
An important thing is that most if not all the musicians that I have posted, will tell you that they dont play flamenco. Some might even say that they dont like flamenco. I,m not the one to judge. Its their culture. I,m just writing what I,ve been told by the people living and playing here.
great vids bursche. You consider rocayisa has a rumba feel? I always seen it labeled as tangos.
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bursche, call it what ever you like, but here, its NOT considered to be flamenco. It,ll be called pop music or rumbas.
I would consider this flamenco too Coz for me the cante structure follow the same melodic progression than the tientos/tangos. If you listen properly to the letras you'll recognize some that are use in 'classic' flamenco tune.
It's not like in most of the rumba catalana where the melody evolve basically between 2 chords. Look at this Peret vids (anthologic baile at 2'00)
Now here's an another rumba vid where IMO there's the flamenco harmonical progression like in the bursche one). There's also some cliché that could perfectly fit in tangos (alli alli oh and such kind of stuff). So for me it's flamenco. (there's also some good baile in it)
These 2 vids show IMO that rumba field is not homogeneous. At least not for me...
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"The most important part of Flamenco is not in knowing how to interpret it. The higher art is in knowing how to listen." (Luis Agujetas)
This gitana cantando flamenco vid is as flamenco as it gets. Flamenco isn't just jondo stuff. Any of the young flamencos I know would agree. Don't know about the old guys in the Huelva mountains, though. They might be a bit more conservative about this topic.
RE: Rumbas y los demás cosas. (in reply to bursche)
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ORIGINAL: bursche
very flamenco:
that's probably why this is called tangos :-)
...which does not mean to say rumba can't sound very flamenco as well when played "the flamenco way". Actually i'm not always sure myself if something should be called rumba or tangos and i guess they can blend to a certain extend depending on the melodies and the kind of swing you apply.
RE: Rumbas y los demás cosas. (in reply to Leñador)
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ORIGINAL: Lenador
Nice one also Erik, so there is rumbas that are appealing to me....
My father's band performed melodies like this quite a lot in the fifties (not necessarily as a rumba).
It's funny that the Gipsy kings (who made a perfect rumba record in 1987) had huge successes in America by basically returning the music that people like Carmen Amaya helped escape "the americas". In the 70ties they had a huge world-wide (pre Gypsy Kings) hit with this song performed with father Jose Reyes (who before joined forces with the equally illustrious Manitas de Plata)
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RE: Rumbas y los demás cosas. (in reply to Erik van Goch)
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No :-)
Haha, I thought you were. I have nothing against that, it's just I can't stand this one. When I was a kid I had to listen to this so many times at school... I guess I got traumatized...
But at least with this one there is no doubt. This one is definitely NOT flamenco. And I dare say that Anders will shoot anyone who says it is.
Haha, I thought you were. I have nothing against that, it's just I can't stand this one. When I was a kid I had to listen to this so many times at school... I guess I got traumatized...
I mostly heart it at my work (sorting out post as a postman)...every time it was on the radio i stopped for a couple of minutes to enjoy it...it actually was 1 of the very few "modern day" top 40 singles i was tempted to buy over the years (songs like eternal flame, it's all about the money).
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I guess I got traumatized... 
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