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Escribano

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From: England, living in Italy

New Article on Flamenco Recording

Written in their own time for our benefit, I have pleasure in hosting:

RECORDING THE FLAMENCO GUITAR
By
Patrick Harris and Thomas Whiteley

click here to download

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 6 2003 16:55:24

Merle

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RE: New Article on Flamenco Recording (in reply to Escribano)

Pat and Tom, that is a very good recording article! You guys really put in some work and good knowledge on this...

I'm positive that many people will benefit from your work!

Thanks, guys...

Merle

(I'm impressed, as always)~~~ ;>)

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 6 2003 17:42:31

gerundino63

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RE: New Article on Flamenco Recording (in reply to Escribano)

Hi Patrick and Thomas!!

very good work, and thank you for it.

As for a digibethic like me, it is hard to start making records on a computer, but it is comming a lot closer now!
Thanks again, Peter.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 6 2003 18:21:39

Ron.M

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RE: New Article on Flamenco Recording (in reply to Escribano)

Tom & Pat,
A brilliant piece of work. Beautifully clear, concise and to the point.
Easily the best handbook I've seen on the subject, especially with it's particular focus on recording Flamenco guitar.
Very professional indeed, and anyone can see the large amount of work that has gone into it's preperation.

Well done chaps!

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 6 2003 20:20:58

Phil

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RE: New Article on Flamenco Recording (in reply to Escribano)

Patrick and Tom,
I just took a quick look at your book and it looks fantastic. I've downloaded and will read it carefully later. Thank you very much for taking the time to put this together. Now that I know how to record myself, is there anything you can do about my playing?

Phil

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 6 2003 21:34:15

Merle

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RE: New Article on Flamenco Recording (in reply to Phil)

quote:

is there anything you can do about my playing?

Senior Phil, if they give you an answer, pass it on to me!! ;>)

Merle

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 6 2003 22:56:30

Thomas Whiteley

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RE: New Article on Flamenco Recording (in reply to Phil)

Phil;

Thank you for your comments, as well as those from everyone else. We did spend a few minutes creating the document. More time was spent in editing then in creation or recording! I think we will never be satisfied, but that is life.

At the moment I am enjoying a nice glass of Sangria, from Spain. The glass was made in Italy, and it is very enjoyable! Now, I would suggest joining me in a good glass of Sangria or your favorite beverage, and enjoy yourself!

There are a few things you can do about your playing:

1. Accept what you are capable of doing and enjoy it.
2. Be serious about improvement if that is important.

You will find the right path in either case.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 7 2003 2:15:55

Thomas Whiteley

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RE: New Article on Flamenco Recording (in reply to Escribano)

Simon;

Thank you for hosting and encouraging our effort. Our goal was to save others time and money trying to determine “what works for me”!

I walked into one store and wanted a Preamp, and was shown a $2500 unit, which had no Limiter! The Limiter was another unit of equal price. Then you bought a Equalizer of the same price, and so on.

I ended up with the ART TPS preamp with Limiter built in, for under $180 and am very happy!

I will say this: If possible, I will never again use my ESS or Sound Blaster Audio Cards. I am sold on my M-Audio equipment! But that is just me – what anyone else does is up to them.

Do you think you may be able to add one more Link on your main page, to a form which allows user contributions such as that by Patrick and myself, to be downloaded?

By the way, thank you Patrick, for all your effort! In my opinion, we worked as if we were one person. Imagine two people who never met and correspond by e-mail, being able to work together to create this document! To me it is amazing and very meaningful. It helped that the two of us had one thought in mind: Create a document of value to others. I hope we have succeeded.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 7 2003 2:34:21

Patrick

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RE: New Article on Flamenco Recording (in reply to Escribano)

I just got back from a good day of fishing and was pleasantly surprised to see the site not only back up and running, but also our document posted as well.

As Tom said, thank you all for your kind words and to Simon for encouraging us to put in the time. As Tom mentioned, we had the basic format done in a couple of weeks, but spent about three weeks or more in the editing process. It indeed is a small world, when two guys that are eight hundred miles apart can be thinking in the same direction, put together something of substance, and have friends reading it half way around the globe.

Guys, now the balls in your court. Tom and I expect to hear lots of recordings posted. You don’t need equipment like Tom and I have, just a cheap mic and away you go.

I am sure I speak for Tom, that if we can be of help, let us know. We may not have the answer, but we will do our best to get it for you.

Pat

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 7 2003 3:23:06

Patrick

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RE: New Article on Flamenco Recording (in reply to Escribano)

Phil,

I’ll answer your question with a question.

Do you know how to get to Carnage Hall?

Merle said, “when he finally got there, they wouldn’t let him in”!

Pat

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 7 2003 3:32:16

Thomas Whiteley

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RE: New Article on Flamenco Recording (in reply to Merle)

Merle;

If you want to improve your playing of the flamenco guitar, you have to be serious.

Think for a moment: Sabicas had no teacher. Other great guitarists did have teachers – perhaps a father, brother, relative, friend or the local barber. They all shared a few things in common;

1. They lived in the environment where flamenco flourished.
2. The responsibilities these individuals had were limited.
3. They learned at a stage of life were they could concentrate on one thing – the guitar.

Now getting back to what to do to improve your playing.

1. Give up your job.
2. Leave your family.
3. Move to Spain.
4. Live with a Gitano family who will treat you like a son or brother.
5. Do nothing but play the guitar from sun up to sun down.

It sounds simple doesn’t it? Everything in life has a price. What are you willing to pay for what you want? How bad do you want it?

Perhaps a less radical approach to improvement is called for!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 7 2003 15:17:31

Escribano

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RE: New Article on Flamenco Recording (in reply to Thomas Whiteley)

quote:

Do you think you may be able to add one more Link on your main page, to a form which allows user contributions such as that by Patrick and myself, to be downloaded

As you know, anything is possible it's just time and effort, bopth of which are being used in other directions at the moment. I'll have a think.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 8 2003 4:56:47

Jon Boyes

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RE: New Article on Flamenco Recording (in reply to Escribano)

Excellent primer, P & T.

This will save newbies a *huge* amount of time and hassle.

I wish I'd had this a couple of years ago!

Great job.

Jon

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 9 2003 14:04:20

Patrick

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RE: New Article on Flamenco Recording (in reply to Escribano)

Jon,

Thank you.

That is exactly why we did it. It took me months to get this info on my own.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 9 2003 15:22:50

Jerzy

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RE: New Article on Flamenco Recording (in reply to Escribano)

Hi Tom and Simon:

You guys really did it!!!!
This is the best article that I've read regarding recording and I apreciete it very very much. Many things, I've been just going thriough it rather quickly that I'll print it out and i'll say it in spanish "degustarlo lentamente, saborearlo despacio" is something like eating it slowlly

?

Many thanks to both of you!!, realy this is something that confirms me things and iluminate me in many other topics about recording.

Thanks a lot

!!!!!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 10 2003 2:18:14

eslastra

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RE: New Article on Flamenco Recording (in reply to Jerzy)

Tom and Pat,

Thanks for sharing your knowledge and hard work. I've just downloaded the article but won't get a chance to read it for another few days, but based on everyone's feedback, looks like a winner. Much appreciated

.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 10 2003 5:19:40

Escribano

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RE: New Article on Flamenco Recording (in reply to Jerzy)

quote:

Hi Tom and Simon:

You guys really did it!!!!

Thanks Jerzy, but it was Tom and Patrick, I just do what I'm told and FTP the suckers

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 10 2003 8:23:14

Jerzy

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RE: New Article on Flamenco Recording (in reply to Escribano)

WooooopS

!!!

Sorry Patrick, I missread the first Messege,

So once again:

Thank you very much Tom and Patrick!!!!!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 10 2003 17:31:56

Patrick

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RE: New Article on Flamenco Recording (in reply to Escribano)

Eddie & Jerzy,

Thank you.

Jerzy no problem.

Pat

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 10 2003 20:13:16

Conrad

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RE: New Article on Flamenco Recording (in reply to Escribano)

Hello all,

Thank you for the tutorial, but I am having difficulty listening to the sound samples. Can anyone help me?

thanks - Best wishes

- Con

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 10 2003 20:44:55

Escribano

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RE: New Article on Flamenco Recording (in reply to Conrad)

What's the problem, what MP3 player are you using?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 10 2003 21:27:41

Conrad

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RE: New Article on Flamenco Recording (in reply to Escribano)

hi Simon,

Well, I open the flamenco recording document in acrobat, and I simply click on the blue links which should play sound, but it says "Could not open file". I have several Mp3 players, like winamp, windowsmediaplayer, realoneplayer. However, it is a little confusing to me, because the document is only 96kb in size, and that seems to small for Thomas and Patrick to have put in music files.

Hope that helps

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 10 2003 21:39:26

Conrad

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RE: New Article on Flamenco Recording (in reply to Escribano)

aha!

Nevermind... it's that I tried to download the document to my computer. When viewed on the internet, I do not have this problem. sorry everyone

cheers - Conrad

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 10 2003 21:45:16

Escribano

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RE: New Article on Flamenco Recording (in reply to Conrad)

That would explain it. The document contains URLs to MP3s and expects them in the same directory as the pdf, so if you do save it locally, download the MP3s as well.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 11 2003 10:50:02

Jim Opfer

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RE: New Article on Flamenco Recording (in reply to Escribano)

Pat and Tom,
Thank you both very very much, this is a fantastic piece of work and you have both been extremely kind in sharing your experience and knowledge with us all.
Invaluable!
Cheers
Jim.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 25 2003 15:11:47