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NormanKliman
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RE: who needs other palos than bulerias? (in reply to XXX)
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Deniz, I think estebanana is making a good point and you're just laughing at him. There's a lot to be said for the distraction that arises from monotony. I'm no expert on other people's spirituality, but I think this concept is involved in many components of religion and meditation. About the subject of this thread, flamenco has been going strong for at least 130 years, not only in terms of existence of the art form but as a popular and well-defined art form. If you consider the different formats (dance-oriented flamenco, "stage" flamenco, party flamenco, guitar-oriented flamenco...) and regional tendencies (Cádiz, Huelva, Seville, Málaga, Granada, Madrid, Barcelona...), there are hundreds of variations, many of which have fallen into disuse, as Ricardo has pointed out. It's hard to make a general statement about parties because they differ from region to region. At some parties, when the music turns to malagueñas, some or all of the group will react visibly, expressing satisfaction and eager anticipation. Same with Huelva, cantiñas and siguiriyas, depending on where you are and who you're with. Although a poor diet is nothing to brag about, I have to agree that bulerías is a very complete style. A professional performance could easily include three or four short bulerías between other styles, something that doesn't really work with other styles.
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Date Nov. 15 2012 8:14:58
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Ricardo
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RE: who needs other palos than bulerias? (in reply to NormanKliman)
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Deniz, I think estebanana is making a good point and you're just laughing at him. There's a lot to be said for the distraction that arises from monotony. I'm no expert on other people's spirituality, but I think this concept is involved in many components of religion and meditation. Not just monotony, but the repetition, and overall group mentality opening doors in the mind and altering perception and creating a feeling or state of mind that seems to have an infectious "energy" of sorts. Same for music gathering as religious group experiences and voodoo trances, meditation etc, drugs can help or hurt that state depending. To help out deniz, I personally feel it can scientifically all be whittled down to different forms of hypnosis...people's mind opening up to suggestive thoughts feelings visions ideas...caused both by the repetition, chanting singing rhythm etc, often the musician/priest/group leader is hypnotizer and a subject of hypnosis along with the rest. They just don't realize they are doing it. Even psychiatrists that use hypno therapy to pull out what they think are repressed memories, are doing nothing more than suggestion (implanting creative false images and feeling and memories that seem real to the patient) by digging deeper with questions. Very dangerous because for all intents and purposes from the point of view of the people being hypnotized, it is a very "real" experience. Ok way off topic....
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Date Nov. 15 2012 13:39:08
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Ruphus
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RE: who needs other palos than bulerias? (in reply to XXX)
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Been looking at your pic in contemplation, Stephen. Blessed who can live in almost any civilized ways without being harrased for outfits, haircuts, meals, pets, drinks, glances, choice of company and their outfits, haircuts, meals, pets, drinks, glances ... I am sitting in this retarded part of the world and being so homesick for good sense, and it´s getting worse from day to day. Probably not far away from being lynched. F*** the darkside of Middle-Ages and long, long live muchacho Stephen before the fridge rack! - Sorry for OT; ´would be great if all of palos sustained. Ruphus
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Date Nov. 16 2012 19:31:45
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XXX
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RE: who needs other palos than bulerias? (in reply to Ricardo)
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo In many cases art and music is more than "fun' it is like a drug that you use to numb the pain inside. ... The satisfaction of doing it better and better is more akin to needing more and more of an addictive drug or being obsessed with a lover or something of that sort. The "fun" part is not so easily achieved and not always getting it is the driving force. Youre right in saying that art can satisfy more feelings than just the feeling of fun/joy. About the second part: I know the feeling you mean, i can relate to that a little bit (not as much as you of course), but i still think, like most drugs (not all), its not the "things" that (magically, without a reason) draw a person's attention, but rather the persons who relate to them in a special, appreciative way (with their own reasons why they do it). What you perceive as a driving force, could be you driving the force (LOL). Also think about this: art has a very different effect on different people. Some people dont relate to it at all. In that it doesnt share the common qualities of certain hard drugs, which make you addicted even in small amounts/at first contact etc On a last note: i believe everything can serve as a "drug", ie in the sense that YOU MAKE yourself addicted to it. It has been reported that people can be addicted to eating chocolate or buying useless things or whatever arbitrary actions they THINK they have to do. I believe that supports my viewpoint that the reasons for human behaviour in that regard is to be searched all inside people's heads and not inside the objects as an intrinsic quality or something.
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Date Nov. 17 2012 21:21:02
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Ricardo
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all emotional reasons, but they are YOUR specific reasons, it doesnt need to have anything to do with the music as an intrinsic quality. eVen though the reasons are personal and specific, doesn't make them less significant to the world at large. AFter taking a sampling you learn about both similarities and differences of both groups involved and learn it's not totally random. When a very important artist walks in the room with a crowd of people, anybody that does not know who the individual is is not affected at all necessarily by that person's presence. But what happens is the knowledgeable artists in the room suddenly become aware and they get a fear or excitement, and the fear/excitement spreads and before you know it there is this tension in the room that almost everyone can feel and you can almost cut with a knife. Again, even though it's individual, the spreading of the thought feeling or "magic" if you will, I personally feel is part of this hypnosis thing...when your mind is closed it remains closed, but even if there are different types of "keys" for different people (emotions, memories, tastes, likes dislikes, biases, fetishes, nostalgia, drugs or alcohol, etc), when the doors open it is easy to feel a sort of "collective" experience happening. I have noticed in the case of music, the predictable and enjoyable rhythm or groove is often a gateway to the "zone" or "groove" and I consider it a key to unlock doors in the mind. Rhythmic challenged people don't feel it and experience nothing.
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