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When is it...not Flamenco??
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Florian
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From: Adelaide/Australia
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RE: When is it...not Flamenco?? (in reply to larone)
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"the best, the hottest, the sexiest, the most traditional, the biggest, the latest, the fastest, the purest, the realest, the coolest". I dont buy into all that **** anymore, the printers will print anything you tell em if you pay em.
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Date Sep. 11 2005 21:10:24
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Ricardo
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RE: When is it...not Flamenco?? (in reply to larone)
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I think it is 2 things, obviously, different for each individual. 1.)knowledge 2.)taste There are lots of aficionados who think they know what is more or less "flamenco" about an artist/performance/recording, etc, they know how to "distinguish" all the palos, know the history of Gypsy Cante, etc, but they can't even do palmas. Then there are true masters of the art who don't really know the history of the gypsies, or the geneology of every cante. In the end there are 2 types of art, 1) to entertain people, and 2)for the artist to express himself. If YOU don't find Canizares "flamenco" enough, then it is not. If I find it to be great flamenco, then it is. Simple. What Florian says is true, if some one that seems to have more knowleadge imposes his own taste onto others newer to it, then the "opinion" spreads. It has happened to me before, but luckily I was able to form my own tastes as I acquired more knowleadge. "Diego del Gastor plays like a beginner...", "Nunez is all technique..." , "Paco is now a jazz guitarist...", "Juan Martin is not even Spanish...", "Moraito is the best accompanist...", "Gypsy kings can't play flamenco...", "Camaron is the greatest singer in history...", etc. Just keep an open mind. Ricardo
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Date Sep. 12 2005 16:08:35
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Florian
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RE: When is it...not Flamenco?? (in reply to Ron.M)
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4. Person after 5 years and still sounding like ****, say's "Man, this stuff is too hard... I'll just integrate what I've learned so far into my own Rock/Blues/Tamla/Bossa stuff. 5. Person appears on stage as a "Flamenco guitarist". ..... so what ? where do you think that alot of the flamenco guitar ideas come from originaly ? it took alot from classical it took a bitt from here a bit from there and voila. All you have done is named the foundation of how the flamenco technique came about. Someone changing alot of the classical guitar technique to adapt it for flamenco. U are fighting and arguing to keep something pure whos very existance and develompent is thanks to the fact that it was unpure and borowed from here and there to make it what it is today. Dare to look behind the obvious :-) Whats more real to your opinionation, someone sitting at home by the cd player playing a Sabicas falseta over and over and over and copying the sound perfectly (woo woopy , youre a parrot) or someone actually trying to develop his knolodge trying to change the Sabicas falseta to his technique, taste etc. quote from Thomas W. web.. quote:
Actual Flamenco frequently shows influences of other kinds of music, as Jazz, Salsa, Bossa Nova, etc to be honest I am envious, i kind of wish I had some knolodge about Rock/Blues/Tamla/Bossa/jazz stuff, all I have ever playied is flamenco, it couldnt hurt, it could only make you a better guitarist, not to mention develop you compositional skills.
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Date Sep. 13 2005 2:07:33
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