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KMMI77
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RE: Guitar sound (in reply to KMMI77)
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Thanks for the replies, I'm aware that reverb, pa's, mics and the players technique are playing their role in the sound in these videos. I can still reference them to the sound of thousands of other videos with reverb pa's and mics. There are certain distinctive sounds present coming from guitars like this. Like the short hollow sound during picado. The rubbery bouncyness of the bass notes. The way the sound has warmth, fullness and power without over resonating, booming or sounding too in your face. The way the musical tension is built within the sound of a chord. The control over the sound that guitars like this enable the player to have. In the first video listen to the sounds of the chords at 0:30 and 1:14, The balance over the guitar is outstanding imo. Or try and replicate the short fast accents that swing in at around 1:57 on a fully resonating flamenco guitar. The majority of guitars will end up sounding messy with to many sounds present, many of them being out of balance. I believe there is a reason this type of guitar is desirable. They tell a cool story imo and would have been carefully chosen. I'm not saying that this sound is the best for every situation, but if one is a fan of this style, this type of guitar is vital. It's interesting that luthiers here are so dismissive of this sound. Here you have some of the greatest flamenco guitarists choosing to play these guitars, and luthiers respond with" it's just reverb" or "if i made a guitar that sounded that bad i would shoot myself in the hands" To me that says a lot. Imo luthiers should pay attention.
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Date Jun. 16 2012 23:28:33
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turnermoran
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RE: Guitar sound (in reply to KMMI77)
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why don't you just record the guitar(s) you have in a similar fashion - through mics, P.A., etc, then upload it to YouTube and listen to your guitar. If it sounds basically like you're guitar, then the argument is pretty much settled. if it sounds totally different, then there we go. I tend to agree with you in a basic manner - if you take a $200 guitar, and a $2000 guitar and subject them to these variables, I'm sorry, but it's not like the $200 guitar sounds like gold and the $2000 guitar sounds like poop. just my opinion, but I think guys who put pickups in good guitar have better sound then, say, a Cordoba. Because you can't polish a turd. Well...you can't polish it to a lusterous gleaming shine.
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Date Jun. 17 2012 5:07:48
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machopicasso
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RE: Guitar sound (in reply to Anders Eliasson)
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You say that the luthiers here are bad. You say it directly. Come on, Anders. KMMI77 didn't say you guys "are bad." Rather, he complained, rightly or wrongly, that the luthiers are too quick in dismissing his point. I actually think the point at issue in this discussion is very interesting. On the one hand, I'm sympathetic to the point pressed by ToddK and others that mic, PA system, medium for online presentation, etc. can have a huge impact on the sound we ultimately receive. On the other, hand, I'm sympathetic to KMMI77's response that those significant effects don't completely obscure the sound of the guitar in every case. For example, every time I listen to Jason McGuire demo one of Glenn Faulk's guitars, it sounds like a Glenn Faulk guitar. Sure, one could probably achieve that sound with electronic effects on a different guitar. But what's at issue is whether it's ever possible for the raw, live sound of a guitar to show through all of the electronic devices mediating the production and reception of the sound. If it is possible, then the next question is whether the sound KMMI77 identified is an instance of that phenomenon.
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Date Jun. 17 2012 8:46:45
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KMMI77
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RE: Guitar sound (in reply to KMMI77)
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Anders, Sorry, but I'm not even going to respond with an explanation to the sooky nonsense you have written. Turnermoran, Thanks for your comment, I have uploaded videos from gigs of me playing through a pa with compression and eq. The guitars sound slightly different acoustically, but in my experiences, the guitars character always defines the sound once mixed and amplified. The guitar in the video still has plenty of highs mids and lows imo. The sound is strangely open and closed at the same time. erictjie, $20,000 euro wouldn't surprise me. I'm sure the owner of the guitar in the first video realizes how difficult it would be to find another one that has that sound. machopicasso, Thanks for your comments and understanding of my viewpoint. Deniz, I would have to look for other videos. I just watched these two by chance yesterday and they reminded me of each other. I believe guitars that sound like this would be hard to come by. Thanks for your opinions and advice bursche. I have not stated anywhere that the guitar would sound identical acoustically to the way it does in the video. Cool yes, the same no. People have just reached that conclusion. And seem to be arguing with me on subjects that i have no issues with. It is always difficult communicating in a few words on a forum. Anyway, I agree that using effects can add to this type of sound. But i still stand by my belief that the guitar is playing the major role. It's not only about the compression and volume. I personally find this guitars sound appealing. I'm not bothered if others hate it. I think it has x factor and suits the flamenco genre. I like other guitars and sounds as well. There is room for everyone. But given the choice i would be happy with a guitar like the one in the first video These guitarists have good tastes imo.
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Date Jun. 17 2012 12:29:26
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