Guitar shops in Madrid

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Bogdan1980

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From: Frederick, MD

Guitar shops in Madrid

Hey guys

Which guitar shops are worth going to in Madrid?

Looks like there are 2 or 3 Conde stores, one Bernal store and a Ramirez store. There are probably more but these are the ones I know of.
Are all of these worth the visit?

Bogdan

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 10 2012 14:29:35

Morante

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RE: Guitar shops in Madrid (in reply to Bogdan1980)

José Romero, Calle Espoz y Mina. Mejor de todo.

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beno

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RE: Guitar shops in Madrid (in reply to Bogdan1980)

quote:

1. x-Ramirez: José Romero. C/ Espoz y Mina 30. 28012 Madrid. Tlf: 915214218
2. x-Ramirez: Manuel Cáceres pizarro. C/ Puerto Barbarán 21
3. x-Ramirez: Ignacio M. Rozas. C/ Mayor 66. Tf. 915426921. 28013 MADRID
4. x-Ramirez: ARTURO SANZANO. Ronda de Segovia 28. MADRID 28005. Tlf: 913650175
5. x-Ramirez: Tezanos Perez (Mariano Tezanos & Gregorio Perez). Vicente Camarón 14
6. Juan Álvarez Gil. C/ San Pedro 7. Tlf: 914292033. galeon.hispavista.com/alvarezguits/index.html. (Estudio Modelo Y-..., Professional F-1)
7. Manuel Contreras. C/ Mayor 80. Tlf: 915422201. manuelcontreras.com. (1st Class Flamenco Concert, 2nd Class Flamenco Concert, F-...)
8. Pedro de Miguel. C/ Amor de Dios 13. 28014 Madrid. Teléfono: 914294793
9. Evelio Domínguez Hernández. C/ Virgen de Lluc 88. 28027 Madrid. Tlf: 914088134
10. Arcángel Fernández de la Mata. C/ Jesús y María 26. 28012 Madrid
11. Manzanero. C/ Santa Ana 12. guitarrasmanzanero.com. (1ª Special Professional Flamenco)
12. Vicente Pérez Camacho. C/ Amparo 3. 28012 Madrid
13. Manuel Rodríguez Fernández. C/ Santa Elena 10. 28017 Madrid. Tlf: 913265010
14. Manuel Rodríguez e hijos. C/ Hortaleza 26. 28004 Madrid. Tlf: 915317584. guitars-m-r-sons.com
15. Lorenzo Álvarez Gil. C/ Entrearroyos 28. 28030 Madrid. Tlf: 914399677
16. Jorge de Gubia. c/Campillo 23. 28011 Madrid. Tlf: 630904343. luthier.turincon.com
17. Marcelino López. C/ Fernán Núnez, 17 Madrid
18. Luis Aróstegui Granados. Plaza de Chueca 4. 28004 Madrid. Tlf: 915229805
19. DANIEL ALEJANDRO FUENTES HERNANDEZ. Galería de Robles 5. 28004 MADRID. Tlf: 914465291
20. ANGEL BENITO. Monteleón 14. 28004 MADRID. Tlf: 914 461 890
21. LUIS GOYA. Cava Baja 42. 28005 MADRID. Tlf: 913 657 842
22. Angel Fernández de la Mata. C/ Jesús y María 26. 28012 MADRID. Tlf. 912287067
23. Marcelino Gómez Nieto. C/ Fernán Núñez 17. Tlf. 913502949. 28016 MADRID
24. Santos Bayón Ruiz. (Sobrino de Santos Hernández). C/ Aduana 23. 28013 Madrid. Tlf: 915229521
25. Antonio Iznaola. C/ Imperial 16. Plaza Mayor. iznaolaluthier.com. (Etude, Concert, Grand-Concert)
26. RAFAEL MELECHON SÁNCHEZ. Pza. de la Marina Española 4. 28013 Madrid. Tlf: 915479012
27. JUAN ANTONIO MANCHEÑO SANCHEZ. Ribera de Curtidores 3. 28005 MADRID. Tlf: 914682050

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 10 2012 20:12:58

beno

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RE: Guitar shops in Madrid (in reply to Bogdan1980)

I'd personally go with:
1, 5, 7, 8, 11,17, Conde, Ramirez AND PAulino Bernabé

good trip

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 10 2012 20:19:13

Doitsujin

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RE: Guitar shops in Madrid (in reply to Bogdan1980)

the conde shops are all crap and the peopple who are working there a bunch of idiots

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 10 2012 21:37:10

Richard Jernigan

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RE: Guitar shops in Madrid (in reply to beno)

Tezanos and Perez split up amicably more than 5 years ago.

Mariano Tezanos is at C. Vicente Camaron 19, Perez is at C. del Peru 4, last i knew.

Pablo "Manuel Contreras II" sadly passed away months ago. I understand the shop in C. Mayor was to be closed. Guitars with the Contreras label are still to be produced by former employees.

Arcangel Fernandez retired several months ago.

Vicente Perez Camacho died years ago.

I don't know whether Rodriguez still has the shop in C. Hortaleza. Since I visited there more than 30 years ago the company has expanded greatly into a manufacturing organization headquartered in Esquivias, south of Madrid.

The Conde shop at Gravina 7 was run by the widow of Faustino, one of the original Sobrinos de Esteso, last I knew.

There is a Conde shop at Calle Atocha 53, under the direction of the sons and granddaughter of Julio, one of the original three Sobrinos de Esteso.

The most prestigious--and expensive--of the three Conde shops in Madrid is that of Felipe Conde, C. Arrieta 4. Felipe is the son of Mariano, one of the original Sobrinos de Esteso, but is supposed to have learned guitar making from Faustino, the senior one of the three Sobrinos.

Who actually makes the various Conde guitars is the subject of considerable debate and speculation, but notable artists continue to use them.

Mariano Conde, Junior's shop is at C. de Amnistia 1. On Youtube you will find a video which shows him and his son Mariano III making guitars. I don't know whether all the guitars sold at this shop are made there.

RNJ

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 10 2012 22:26:54

Bogdan1980

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From: Frederick, MD

RE: Guitar shops in Madrid (in reply to Bogdan1980)

Thanks all

I think the Conde shop at Calle Atoche was the one I was going to go to among others.

Bernabe is a good idea. Appreciate the suggestion.

Bogdan

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 11 2012 2:42:13

Ricardo

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RE: Guitar shops in Madrid (in reply to Bogdan1980)

Well we saw and aruged about Felipe Conde's new guitars. A friend played a Mariano Conde and said it was great when he visited spain. Personally I would make a point to try and compare the two brother's guitars to see what's really up with those two. One of the best guitars I have played was kind of unique, a walnut back and sides Conde from Gravina late 80's and it was signed, oddly, "Felipe Conde".

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 11 2012 13:19:27

Bogdan1980

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RE: Guitar shops in Madrid (in reply to Ricardo)

So the different Conde shops are essentially run by different people that make guitars with differing approach? Or is it all just one big family?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 13 2012 22:22:11

Richard Jernigan

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RE: Guitar shops in Madrid (in reply to Bogdan1980)

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ORIGINAL: Bogdan1980

So the different Conde shops are essentially run by different people that make guitars with differing approach? Or is it all just one big family?

Some question whether the people running the Atocha, Gravina and Felipe Conde shops make any guitars at all, or just have guitars made to their specifications by other organizations. Personally I don't know, nor do I know of any one who claims to have a definitive answer.

Yes, they are one big family, all related by blood or marriage. But the businesses began to diverge quite a while back. The split between Mariano Jr. and Felipe is more recent.

Given all that, more prominent flamencos play Condes than any other brand.

RNJ

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 14 2012 2:22:56

Northern Rock

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RE: Guitar shops in Madrid (in reply to Bogdan1980)

Bogdan can I ask how long you are going for and have you been to Spain or Madrid before ? I only ask becausre dispite going to Spain regularly for 25 years I got caught out by the different pace of life in Madrid compared to London when I went to buy a name brand guitar from thier shop a couple of years ago.

I would,nt criticize any one on an open forum with out them beinging able to defend them selves so I won,t name names but safe to say the three different shops I went to had the same attitude.

I would recommend you have a clear idea of what you want and then ring ahead to the shop of choice and make an appointment with your requirements.
Also give yourself plenty of time ,I found along weekend nowhere near long enough.

Dispite the problems I will be back to up grade the guitar I bought , but just remember in Spain at the weekend siesta is king not money.Even in a recession.

Allow your self a full week to try various guitars, multiple visits, build a relationship with the guys in the shop and sleep on your choices.

Of course if you,ve been before you,ll know all this .

I love the place and will be back there next year to up grade my instument having learned from the expirience.

Good luck and I hope you get the guitar your looking for and please let us know how you get on.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 16 2012 8:44:01

Bogdan1980

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RE: Guitar shops in Madrid (in reply to Northern Rock)

Not planning to buy anything.

I got my nice guitar already and I love it. Just wanted to go and see some of these places for myself. Especially Conde

But I appreciate the comments, who knows, maybe the instruments are so amazing I won't be able to hold back.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 16 2012 13:30:12

Morante

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RE: Guitar shops in Madrid (in reply to Bogdan1980)

The instruments are not amazing, the prices, yes.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 16 2012 15:20:43

Richard Jernigan

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RE: Guitar shops in Madrid (in reply to Bogdan1980)

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ORIGINAL: Bogdan1980

Not planning to buy anything.

Last time I visited guitar makers not planning to buy anything, I only bought two.

RNJ

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 17 2012 3:42:05

Estevan

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RE: Guitar shops in Madrid (in reply to Richard Jernigan)

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Last time I visited guitar makers not planning to buy anything, I only bought two.

The very model of restraint!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 17 2012 15:01:18

Northern Rock

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RE: Guitar shops in Madrid (in reply to Bogdan1980)

Enjoy your trip , I love Madrid, no beach but fantastic park !

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 18 2012 8:18:42

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RE: Guitar shops in Madrid (in reply to Ricardo)

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Well we saw and aruged about Felipe Conde's new guitars. A friend played a Mariano Conde and said it was great when he visited spain. Personally I would make a point to try and compare the two brother's guitars to see what's really up with those two. One of the best guitars I have played was kind of unique, a walnut back and sides Conde from Gravina late 80's and it was signed, oddly, "Felipe Conde".

Ricardo is this the guitar you are referring to?
http://www.trilogyguitars.com/www2/shop/guitar/1985-hermanos-conde-conde-85-fv-fl

TK

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 22 2012 4:04:14

keith

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RE: Guitar shops in Madrid (in reply to Bogdan1980)

If for any reason a trip to the Conde stores could provide fodder for some entertaining stories. You have family skulldullgery, Chinese guitars, factory guitars disguised as "hand made Conde", Royal Spanish Cypress, etc. etc.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 22 2012 11:44:53

Ricardo

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RE: Guitar shops in Madrid (in reply to tk)

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ORIGINAL: tk

quote:

Well we saw and aruged about Felipe Conde's new guitars. A friend played a Mariano Conde and said it was great when he visited spain. Personally I would make a point to try and compare the two brother's guitars to see what's really up with those two. One of the best guitars I have played was kind of unique, a walnut back and sides Conde from Gravina late 80's and it was signed, oddly, "Felipe Conde".

Ricardo is this the guitar you are referring to?
http://www.trilogyguitars.com/www2/shop/guitar/1985-hermanos-conde-conde-85-fv-fl

TK

Yeah that must be it. Perfect guitar. They had like a 20Kreyes and a bunch of other nice guitars, but that one killed em all.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 22 2012 11:57:48